NDSU Beats DI Ball State 29-24

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:58 pm

NDSU played Ball State and racks up over 545 yards total offense. Could have been a nice headline for a BSC team but instead will be another GWFC win against a DI team.

Weltercat · Post by **Weltercat** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:08 pm

Nice win for the Bison, too bad they are not going back to Missoula this year.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:38 pm

That's D-IA Ball State. NDSU and the University of Montana have NCAA D-I athletic programs for all sports, but football gets classified differently.

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:45 pm

theblackgecko wrote:That's D-IA Ball State. NDSU and the University of Montana have NCAA D-I athletic programs for all sports, but football gets classified differently.

Yes, NDSU like Montana State are IAA where Ball State is IA. 22 more schollies then us. Albeit Ball State isn't a perrenial IA power they still are IA and it was a good win on the road for NDSU.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:25 pm

NDSU, Cal Poly and UC Davis are going to bring respectibility back to the West in I-AA. It won't be a one-horse (Grizzlies) town anymore. NDSU will smoke Ga. Southern this week. Davis lost at YSU last week, but they'll just keep getting better along wiht C-P.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:29 pm

crazycat wrote:NDSU, Cal Poly and UC Davis are going to bring respectibility back to the West in I-AA. It won't be a one-horse (Grizzlies) town anymore. NDSU will smoke Ga. Southern this week. Davis lost at YSU last week, but they'll just keep getting better along wiht C-P.

The Cats should be there too.

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:03 pm

Coyote wrote:
crazycat wrote:NDSU, Cal Poly and UC Davis are going to bring respectibility back to the West in I-AA. It won't be a one-horse (Grizzlies) town anymore. NDSU will smoke Ga. Southern this week. Davis lost at YSU last week, but they'll just keep getting better along wiht C-P.

The Cats should be there too.

We actually play Stephen F. Austin this week and Georgia Southern the week after. Then its home for one game and then on road to Minnesota for a showdown with the gophers who I can already tell by reading there board from a fan perspective are overlooking NDSU. I'm fine with that but realize this will be a much tougher task then beating Ball State on the road. Either way NDSU is representing the GWFC very well IMHO.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:10 pm

BisonBacker, where do you think UND & USD will end up?

tcbison · Post by **tcbison** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:50 am

It was a nice win for the Bison and we got paid $150,000 for it. We are really looking forward to playing Montana State next year in Fargo. That should be a great game. Too bad the Griz won't play us again.

Where will USD and UND end up? They want to get into the Big Sky. Not sure if the Big Sky would want them if they didn't want NDSU/SDSU. At this point I hope NDSU/SDSU will make it into the Gateway.

Coyote · Post by **Coyote** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:01 am

tcbison wrote:It was a nice win for the Bison and we got paid $150,000 for it. We are really looking forward to playing Montana State next year in Fargo. That should be a great game. Too bad the Griz won't play us again.

Where will USD and UND end up? They want to get into the Big Sky. Not sure if the Big Sky would want them if they didn't want NDSU/SDSU. At this point I hope NDSU/SDSU will make it into the Gateway.

Thanks tc

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:08 pm

Coyote wrote:BisonBacker, where do you think UND & USD will end up?

I'd say the GWFC is pretty much a given, the other sports will be Indy's for a while. I don't see the BSC doing anything East even though many up in GF would like to think otherwise. Ultimately as much as I don't like it I'd say they will probably find a home in the Mid-Con.

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:10 pm

I do think however it will be quite some time (5-10) years timeframe as I don't see the Mid-Con expaning again for a while. I think the rest of the NCC schools that are seriously looking at moving up waited to long. Hell NDSU waited about 20 years to long

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:58 pm

BisonBacker wrote:I do think however it will be quite some time (5-10) years timeframe as I don't see the Mid-Con expaning again for a while. I think the rest of the NCC schools that are seriously looking at moving up waited to long. Hell NDSU waited about 20 years to long :(

How many NCC schools are moving to D-I?

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:36 am

theblackgecko wrote:
BisonBacker wrote:I do think however it will be quite some time (5-10) years timeframe as I don't see the Mid-Con expaning again for a while. I think the rest of the NCC schools that are seriously looking at moving up waited to long. Hell NDSU waited about 20 years to long
How many NCC schools are moving to D-I?

Right now nobody really knows. Doubtful that UNO will with the financial problems they are having but they are talking about it and given that UND is almost running a one million dollar defecit at the DII level and is saying they are going to move up its anyones guess as to who will really make a move up and who's just talking big. SCSU says they won't Mankato doesn't ave the money and will likely go wherever SCSU does. UMD just move up to the NCC and won't or can't make the move to DI and of course Augi likely won't either but they have hinted at maybe doing it but going non scholly. So to answer your question likely UND and USD and the rest will scramble to find a home in DII. UND's president is going along kicking and screaming. Nobody up north wants to address the 850k defecit they have at the DII level and I think thats going to be an interesting story unfold. They have the womens hockey program as the weight around their collective necks and its just going to get worse if they try to make the move. UNO if they don't make the move will likely look south to a conference in DII is my best guess and maybe try to make the move in a few years when they maybe have their financial house in order. Not sure if you read but there was a little matter of misappropriation of funds and some cover up by some which led to some folks resigning. The other matter of if you move up where are they going to find a conference home still looms large for them as well. I don't see the BSC moving east period given the west coast schools and the Mid-Con may look down the road to expanding but right now there is no need for them to so other then being an independant for a while they are sitting in the same position that NDSU and SDSU were in. At least we helped form the GWFC so if they do move they will have a football home but the rest of their sports are going to struggle for a while.

tcbison · Post by **tcbison** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:28 am

What do people on this board about Big Sky expansion? Would you rather have NDSU/SDSU or UND/USD? Just curious. Keep in mind that NDSU and SDSU will be able to make the playoffs in 2008.

Post by **kmax** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:53 am

tcbison, if you check old threads here you will find the if we were running the conference (lord knows most on this board could do as good or better than Fullerton) there are certain schools on the West coast that would have been given an ultimatum of either stay or go but we are adding the *DSU schools. I really wish the Sky would have added you guys.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:05 am

tcbison wrote:What do people on this board about Big Sky expansion? Would you rather have NDSU/SDSU or UND/USD? Just curious. Keep in mind that NDSU and SDSU will be able to make the playoffs in 2008.

The consensus among Griz and 'Cat fans in that NDSU and SDSU would make great additions to the 'Sky. There's little question that, had it been left to the Montana schools, UNC would have never been invited and instead the 'Sky would have taken both NDSU and SDSU.

Although the Montana schools dominate the 'Sky (in terms of program and fan base), the league has really messed up politics. The rumor is that Sac State and PSU threatened to leave, so the compromise was UNC.

In retrospect, I think this was a terrible move. First, nine team leagues are a scheduling nightmare in basketball. Second, forcing the Montana schools to play at Greely every other makes no sense from a competitive standpoint, and really hurts from a financial standpoint. Third, I don't ever see UNC being a relevant program. It's a third-tier school, not a flagship instituion.

Personally, I think NDSU makes the most sense as a 'Sky instituion. It's a football-first school. But, NDSU needs a travel partner. The problem with UND is that it's a hockey first school, and I'm not sure how strong the commitment to D-I athletics is. Being a flagship instituion makes is desirable, although I see UND taking longer to develop in football and basketball. SDSU makes a lot of sense, with strong commitment to run solid football and basketball. USD is off the radar.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:09 am

kmax wrote:tcbison, if you check old threads here you will find the if we were running the conference (lord knows most on this board could do as good or better than Fullerton) there are certain schools on the West coast that would have been given an ultimatum of either stay or go but we are adding the *DSU schools. I really wish the Sky would have added you guys.

The Montana schools do run the conference. The problem is that Dennison can't look at athletics without trying to figure out how to raid the piggy bank. Therefore, we can't push our weight around.

What Montana and Montana State need to do is learn how to play the ultimaatum game. Call Fullerton and give him two options: 1. NDSU and SDSU are in, Sac. State and Portland State are out. 2. Montana and Montana State leave for the WAC next season.

Post by **kmax** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:16 am

theblackgecko wrote:
kmax wrote:tcbison, if you check old threads here you will find the if we were running the conference (lord knows most on this board could do as good or better than Fullerton) there are certain schools on the West coast that would have been given an ultimatum of either stay or go but we are adding the *DSU schools. I really wish the Sky would have added you guys.
The Montana schools do run the conference. The problem is that Dennison can't look at athletics without trying to figure out how to raid the piggy bank. Therefore, we can't push our weight around.

What Montana and Montana State need to do is learn how to play the ultimaatum game. Call Fullerton and give him two options: 1. NDSU and SDSU are in, Sac. State and Portland State are out. 2. Montana and Montana State leave for the WAC next season.

Man how I wish the two Montana schools would throw some weight around like that!

BisonBacker · Post by **BisonBacker** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:18 am

kmax wrote:tcbison, if you check old threads here you will find the if we were running the conference (lord knows most on this board could do as good or better than Fullerton) there are certain schools on the West coast that would have been given an ultimatum of either stay or go but we are adding the *DSU schools. I really wish the Sky would have added you guys.

I agree with that Kmax but you still need the presidents to sign off on it so why didn't the Montana schools presidents push harder is my quesiton? Why is it that the west coast schools have so much influence? Obviously the big carrot for the BSC is the Montana schools. No diss to UNC but your already reaping the fruits of that addition (Ouch). I don't see any advantage to what's left on the table if they do make the move up in USD and UND. Both are having $$$ issues and one has other legal issues with the NCAA to resolve as well as being an admitted Hockey first school. There is no benefit there with the BSC so it looks like the west coast schools as well as all the politics have F--ked the BSC over pretty well.