Well, At Least The Ducks Won

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:38 pm

Miracle finish at Autzen. That's one victory for a rooting interest of mine today. Takes about 10% of the stink off of the Davis turd.

tdub · Post by **tdub** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:50 pm

I just watched the end of that game as well.

But someone answer me this question if you know the rule for sure:
On an onside kick, the kicking team touches the ball before ten yards, which I know is illegal. But does it become a live ball again if the receiving team then touches the ball?

I too am happy that the Ducks won, but am just wondering if the refs got the call right.

grizband · Post by **grizband** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:37 pm

tdub wrote:I just watched the end of that game as well.

But someone answer me this question if you know the rule for sure:
On an onside kick, the kicking team touches the ball before ten yards, which I know is illegal. But does it become a live ball again if the receiving team then touches the ball?

I too am happy that the Ducks won, but am just wondering if the refs got the call right.

Yes, I am pretty sure that it does.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:39 pm

Is is just me, or do the Ducks have a real shot at the Rose Bowl this year?

We'd even take it by default, should SC go to the National Championship game.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:44 pm

grizband wrote:
tdub wrote:I just watched the end of that game as well.

But someone answer me this question if you know the rule for sure:
On an onside kick, the kicking team touches the ball before ten yards, which I know is illegal. But does it become a live ball again if the receiving team then touches the ball?

I too am happy that the Ducks won, but am just wondering if the refs got the call right.
Yes, I am pretty sure that it does.

I don't think so. I believe the ball is dead the moment it's touched by the kicking team, and the receiving team takes over at that spot.

grizband · Post by **grizband** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:12 pm

GrizinWashington wrote:
grizband wrote:
tdub wrote:I just watched the end of that game as well.

But someone answer me this question if you know the rule for sure:
On an onside kick, the kicking team touches the ball before ten yards, which I know is illegal. But does it become a live ball again if the receiving team then touches the ball?

I too am happy that the Ducks won, but am just wondering if the refs got the call right.
Yes, I am pretty sure that it does.
I don't think so. I believe the ball is dead the moment it's touched by the kicking team, and the receiving team takes over at that spot.

That would be true, and honestly I didn't see the play in question, but if a kickoff which doesn't travel 10 yards is touched by the receiving team first, I think it is a live ball.

tdub · Post by **tdub** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:14 pm

GrizinWashington wrote:
grizband wrote:
tdub wrote:I just watched the end of that game as well.

But someone answer me this question if you know the rule for sure:
On an onside kick, the kicking team touches the ball before ten yards, which I know is illegal. But does it become a live ball again if the receiving team then touches the ball?

I too am happy that the Ducks won, but am just wondering if the refs got the call right.
Yes, I am pretty sure that it does.
I don't think so. I believe the ball is dead the moment it's touched by the kicking team, and the receiving team takes over at that spot.

I just looked up the NCAA rule book and here is the quote from Rule 6, Article 3:

"Illegal touching of a free kick is a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the site of the violation."

So according to that, the officials got the call wrong. But if you read right before it says the kicking team player "...may touch a free-kicked ball after it touches any player, the ground, an official, or anything beyond [the receiving team's] restraining line." (meaning 10 yards from the kick).

So, I think by those, the officials did get it wrong, but it definitly isn't extremely clear.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:19 pm

And PapaG (and the Black Gecko) might hate this, but Washington beat FSU in a great game - I would love to see UW return to the top!

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:41 am

grizbeer wrote:And PapaG (and the Black Gecko) might hate this, but Washington beat FSU in a great game - I would love to see UW return to the top!

The most sensible post in this thread!!! Well said Grizbeer!!

As for the love for Whoregon, it makes me

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:41 am

That was a blown call. Once "first touching" occurs then R's get the option of a rekick or can take the ball at the spotof the "first touching"

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:35 am

catamaran wrote:That was a blown call. Once "first touching" occurs then R's get the option of a rekick or can take the ball at the spotof the "first touching"

ABC blew it by not having a camera on the 45 yard line. Other angles have shown what appears to be Malcolm Kelly of OU touching the ball first (with his eyes closed

).

The bottom line is the Sooners choked. Their defense gave up over 500 yards to the Ducks, and they let their game-winning FG attempt get blocked.

Adrian Peterson said his team didn't execute when it mattered. That's some class and maturity from a 20 year-old future Pro Bowl running back.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:05 pm

PapaG wrote:
catamaran wrote:That was a blown call. Once "first touching" occurs then R's get the option of a rekick or can take the ball at the spotof the "first touching"
ABC blew it by not having a camera on the 45 yard line. Other angles have shown what appears to be Malcolm Kelly of OU touching the ball first (with his eyes closed ).

The bottom line is the Sooners choked. Their defense gave up over 500 yards to the Ducks, and they let their game-winning FG attempt get blocked.

Adrian Peterson said his team didn't execute when it mattered. That's some class and maturity from a 20 year-old future Pro Bowl running back.

http://www.newsok.com/video/39145

http://media.putfile.com/OU-vs-Oregon

Also here's a video of the whoregon line holding on the score that made it 33-27.

http://media.putfile.com/Holding

OU got screwed plain and simple at the end with these calls (or non-calls).

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:59 pm

OU's President (and former US Senator) is irate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2593369

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:25 am

The Pac-10 will back off this when the Big XII apologizes for abusing the BCS system in 2001, 2003, and 2004, which cost the Pac-10 two National Championship Game appearances and a Rose Bowl appearance. Or, for that matter, if Texas is willing to void last year's Rose Bowl due to the officiating mess.

The Ducks got screwed on calls earlier in the game.

http://russellarch.com/blah/OREGON2.mov

AP has the right attitude. Oklahoma should have put the game out of reach for the Ducks. Instead, they let it get close, and the refs made bad calls at the end of the game. Now, Oklahoma is having the biggest piss fit in the history of college sports, and looking like jackasses for it.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:26 am

Last night the Pac-10 suspended the crew and replay booth for blowing the game

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:31 am

Here's PapaG's picture.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:57 am

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
PapaG wrote:
catamaran wrote:That was a blown call. Once "first touching" occurs then R's get the option of a rekick or can take the ball at the spotof the "first touching"
ABC blew it by not having a camera on the 45 yard line. Other angles have shown what appears to be Malcolm Kelly of OU touching the ball first (with his eyes closed ).

The bottom line is the Sooners choked. Their defense gave up over 500 yards to the Ducks, and they let their game-winning FG attempt get blocked.

Adrian Peterson said his team didn't execute when it mattered. That's some class and maturity from a 20 year-old future Pro Bowl running back.
http://www.newsok.com/video/39145

http://media.putfile.com/OU-vs-Oregon

Also here's a video of the whoregon line holding on the score that made it 33-27.

http://media.putfile.com/Holding

OU got screwed plain and simple at the end with these calls (or non-calls).

Two delay of games, Malcolm Kelly's blatant offensive PI on the 4th and 6 TD in the 3rd quarter, and Jonathon Stewart's non-fumble while UO was driving deep into OU territory seem to be missing from you list.

Let's go roundy-round. It will be fun.

UPDATE - Replay official Gordon Riese received seven death threats. Multnomah County sheriff is now involved and has advised him to leave town for a few days until suspects/threats can be assessed.

There's some priorities for you.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:59 am

Say what you want about OU's inability to score TD's or they should have put Oregon away earlier, yada yada yada...

The fact remains that if the refs don't COMPLETELY blow that call (both on the field & in the booth), OU WINS THE GAME by simply taking a knee and running out the clock. The rule is pretty damn clear, IMO; the Duck player CLEARLY touched the ball first before it travelled 10 yards; after that, no other rule/issue applies.

When you are dealing with a team that has the potential to win a National Championship, this is pure BS. The REFERREES effectively eliminated the Sooners from a shot at the National Championship, not the team themselves. That crew should be suspended for the entire year, IMO.

Note: I'm NOT a Sooner fan; I just hate to see that kind of crap happen to any team courtesy of the zebras...

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:08 pm

El_Gato wrote:Say what you want about OU's inability to score TD's or they should have put Oregon away earlier, yada yada yada...

The fact remains that if the refs don't COMPLETELY blow that call (both on the field & in the booth), OU WINS THE GAME by simply taking a knee and running out the clock. The rule is pretty damn clear, IMO; the Duck player CLEARLY touched the ball first before it travelled 10 yards; after that, no other rule/issue applies.

When you are dealing with a team that has the potential to win a National Championship, this is pure BS. The REFERREES effectively eliminated the Sooners from a shot at the National Championship, not the team themselves. That crew should be suspended for the entire year, IMO.

Note: I'm NOT a Sooner fan; I just hate to see that kind of crap happen to any team courtesy of the zebras...

More egregious was when the ref tripped the OU defender on Paysinger's final TD. Or when the refs made Stoops run the ball at the Duck 30 with 35 seconds left, giving his team no chance to advance the ball further.

But the worst? That was when the ref let Blair Phillips stand on his shoulders to block OU's winning FG attempt.

The replay ref wasn't given the ABC feed. That is a fact. OU fans threatening his life and getting the police involved solidifies to me that they deserve to lose. There is no place for that. It's just a game. As for the university president wanting the game erased from the record book: give me a freaking break. Oklahoma is embarrassing itself by acting like children, or worse, psychopaths.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:21 pm

I just saw where you're located, Papa, and now your stance on this is painfully clear.

Once again, the only Duck defense is that OU should have made the plays and not been in position to lose. Oh yeah, it's MUCH better to be a Duck & KNOW that the only reason you won the game was thanks to breaking the rules & getting away with it.