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2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by RickRund » Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:10 pm

We were in downtown CdA today have an adult beverage and a snack after a movie. ESPN was on with one of their roundtable shows. Only name I remember was Kornheiser (sp)... The issue that came up was the refs taking the game from Gonzaga. I looked up the stats and nothing came up where I would think the officials shafted the Gonzaga. FYI, I didn't watch the game...

And I think Timme is a Senior correct. If so he will be missed. Watching Holmgren he is very raw. Not overly impressed. He does cover the boards some but just looks lost. Again, he is young so maybe I am reading way to much into it...

No, not a Zags fan just wondering. Thanks


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Post by Bobcat4Ever » Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:28 pm

There were some horrible calls / missed calls. A very clear step out of bounds that was followed by a basket. An obvious intentional tripping incident by Arkansas, uncalled, right in front of an official that caused a turnover and resulting basket. Three of the five fouls on Holmgren were sketchy, especially the final two. I mean, like where is the guy supposed to stand? He’s got a right to his place on the court. And if you like reviews, well you’d have loved this crew…



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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by RickRund » Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:22 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:28 pm
There were some horrible calls / missed calls. A very clear step out of bounds that was followed by a basket. An obvious intentional tripping incident by Arkansas, uncalled, right in front of an official that caused a turnover and resulting basket. Three of the five fouls on Holmgren were sketchy, especially the final two. I mean, like where is the guy supposed to stand? He’s got a right to his place on the court. And if you like reviews, well you’d have loved this crew…
Thanks appreciated... Volume was off where we watched the ESPN... Could not catch their take...


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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by luckyirishguy25 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:52 am

RickRund wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:22 pm
Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:28 pm
There were some horrible calls / missed calls. A very clear step out of bounds that was followed by a basket. An obvious intentional tripping incident by Arkansas, uncalled, right in front of an official that caused a turnover and resulting basket. Three of the five fouls on Holmgren were sketchy, especially the final two. I mean, like where is the guy supposed to stand? He’s got a right to his place on the court. And if you like reviews, well you’d have loved this crew…
Thanks appreciated... Volume was off where we watched the ESPN... Could not catch their take...
The calls were very bad, at least in the second half, unfortunately almost all the bad calls came at key moments for Gonzaga. Gonzaga was cold shooting ball, and the only real offense was Timme, who is a Junior. It's possible he'll be back he wants a Championship badly.



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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by RickRund » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:48 am

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:52 am
RickRund wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:22 pm
Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:28 pm
There were some horrible calls / missed calls. A very clear step out of bounds that was followed by a basket. An obvious intentional tripping incident by Arkansas, uncalled, right in front of an official that caused a turnover and resulting basket. Three of the five fouls on Holmgren were sketchy, especially the final two. I mean, like where is the guy supposed to stand? He’s got a right to his place on the court. And if you like reviews, well you’d have loved this crew…
Thanks appreciated... Volume was off where we watched the ESPN... Could not catch their take...
The calls were very bad, at least in the second half, unfortunately almost all the bad calls came at key moments for Gonzaga. Gonzaga was cold shooting ball, and the only real offense was Timme, who is a Junior. It's possible he'll be back he wants a Championship badly.
Thanks for the news on Timme. He does a few tv commercials for the Indian Casino around Worley. They are pretty good.

Were the refs from the BSC :D


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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by BStinsMSU » Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:17 am

Currently completing my grad degree at Gonzaga so I've been adopted into the fandom. The game was frustrating as someone else said, 3 of Chet's 5 fouls were questionable at best. Their defense relied on him to protect the rim so him playing in foul trouble then not playing at all was difficult. I don't know what they have to do to get over the hump. They had incredible talent up and down their roster and I thought this was the year if there ever was one. No football and a smaller enrollment will stop them from ever moving conferences, so if it is truly that their conference play limits them like everyone says it does, this might just be the Gonzaga fate...


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Post by AlfredEBobcat » Thu Mar 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Truly the refs made a difference on Chet's playing time, which may or may not have made a difference in the game's outcome. I say it did. I agree that 3 of his 5 fouls were questionable. And the missed call of the Arkansas player being out of bounds that resulted in a 3 point play in a 3 point game was a crucial error. Same with the missed call on the kicked ball that resulted in a turnover for the Zags in a close game.

As a fan, I want to see the kids play, not be delegated to the bench because the refs are dominating the game. The 2 most entertaining post-season college games I saw last 2 weeks were where the game went to the 11 minute mark before the whistles blew for the first time....a Gonzaga game was one of them. Amazing!...and awesome! ...basketball like it used to be when it was super fast action. (I wonder if players even need to be in shape anymore, with so many 2-3 minute time outs).

Two rules that would improve the game of basketball that I would love to see changed, for college and high school (aw heck, pros too):
1. Fouls are called only when the offense, or defense, initiates the contact beyond his/her own path and dislodges the opponent off of his/her path of movement. The foul needs to be on the player initiating the contact, and only then. Everything else is incidental contact as a natural part of the game. No more stopping the action to go the line to shoot boring foul shots to put points on the board when they had a very low chance of creating a scoring opportunity by hope of getting a foul shot. I would include anytime an offensive player shoots with the ball scooping up under the defenders arms in order to make contact to draw a foul when the defender had already established his position, including his arms....IF they were motionless. Certainly coming down on a shooters arms is a foul.
2. Allow for 6 fouls before being disqualified....at all levels. That helps make up for bad officiating, which is very subjective to many ref's differing philosophies anyway. Let the talent on the court dictate the outcome, not the officials! Let scoring be earned by creating a superior athletic play. I saw a MT State A Tournament game where 69 foul shots were taken. It was awful and ruined the game. I saw more than a couple games there where key players only played half the game. People don't drive all over the state to watch key kids, in key games, sit on the bench.


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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by kennethnoisewater » Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:08 pm

BStinsMSU wrote:
Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:17 am
Currently completing my grad degree at Gonzaga so I've been adopted into the fandom. The game was frustrating as someone else said, 3 of Chet's 5 fouls were questionable at best. Their defense relied on him to protect the rim so him playing in foul trouble then not playing at all was difficult. I don't know what they have to do to get over the hump. They had incredible talent up and down their roster and I thought this was the year if there ever was one. No football and a smaller enrollment will stop them from ever moving conferences, so if it is truly that their conference play limits them like everyone says it does, this might just be the Gonzaga fate...
I don't think that's Gonzaga's fate. I think they got hosed this year, but you can't argue the talent isn't there. Sure, playing more games against top teams would help them overcome questionable officiating or an off shooting night, but I think they can do that if they can keep getting the talent they're getting. I'm tired of the "Gonzaga is overrated again" stuff. At full strength they were better than Arkansas, but that's what makes this tournament so much fun. Have an off night and it's all over. I love a good upset, but it always leaves me a little disappointed that the better team didn't win. Gonzaga has made the championship game twice now in the last five tournaments. They need to make another step forward probably to finish the deal, but to make Sweet 16 or better the last 7 tournaments now is pretty darn good. Chet Holmgren was one of the best players in the tournament, and he played 23 minutes in that last game. I get it, that's sports, but IF that game is called differently, Gonzaga is on to the next round. That's not exactly a huge, unrealistic change from reality; it's not like we're saying "if they had just made 20 more free throws" or something. As a pretty casual Gonzaga fan, I hope people don't start seeing them for a program that can't get it done, because I don't believe that's true. As long as they can keep attracting elite talent, they'll get there. Since 2000, Duke has made four Final Fours (granted they did win three national championships), but it just shows that one of the all-time best programs in college basketball history can't make a run every year.


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Re: 2 questions regarding Gonzaga...

Post by Bobcat4Ever » Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:52 pm

As a very casual Gonzaga fan (I’ll be a fan of most any team to the north and west of Billings that doesn’t smell strongly ursine) I only think of them as amazing and consistent. They are like one of the myriad St. Someone’s from back east, but seemingly continue to reinvent themselves every couple of years. I cannot remember the big star’s name, but I remember thinking “Well, now he’s through school so they are probably done.” Nothing could have been further from the truth. If there are Gonzaga fans who are discouraged, they should try being fans of, well — just about anyone else.



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