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NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:03 pm
by Rich K
https://mustangnews.net/cal-poly-will-l ... iolations/
“We are deeply disappointed by the NCAA Infractions Appeals Committee’s decision to vacate the hard-earned individual records of some of Cal Poly’s former student-athletes over a relatively minor accounting error. In our view, the NCAA has sidestepped its responsibility to fairness and sensible treatment of the very student-athletes the association is supposed to protect.
It is important to note that Cal Poly discovered the accounting error — which amounted to over-awarding text books to 30 student athletes an average of $175 — and promptly self-reported the error to the NCAA. The university accepted the NCAA’s initial sanctions, with the glaring exception of the NCAA’s decision to force Cal Poly to vacate the records of, and thereby unfairly punish, innocent individual student-athletes who played no part in committing the accounting error and gained no competitive advantage from it.
Throughout the process, the NCAA has repeatedly chosen to ignore prior cases that have facts nearly identical to those that occurred at Cal Poly. An example of this involved the University of Nebraska, which included more money in over-awarded text books ($27,869) and involved a greater number of student-athletes. In that case, the NCAA did not require Nebraska to vacate individual student-athlete records. Given this clear precedent, we find it incomprehensible that the NCAA is forcing Cal Poly to vacate the records of completely innocent student-athletes.
Furthermore, it is both confusing and disturbing that the NCAA has chosen to compare Cal Poly’s minor text book violation to shocking cases of impropriety. The NCAA actually compared Cal Poly’s text book error to cases at other universities that involved athletic staff members securing prostitutes for recruits, writing papers for student-athletes, lying to investigators, and intentional acts designed to gain a competitive advantage. Nothing like that has occurred at Cal Poly.
For the NCAA to go outside of relevant case precedent and require innocent student-athletes to vacate their hard-earned wins over a minor accounting error is an embarrassment to our association and should concern all of our Division I peers. In our opinion, the NCAA national office has demonstrated in this case, and in several other recent cases, that they have lost the ability to appropriately adjudicate the minor cases self-reported to them. This is in addition to the NCAA’s inability to investigate and prosecute serious and significant cases that involve actual acts of impropriety and cheating.
In addition, the message the NCAA sends to other institutions through this decision could have a chilling effect on future enforcement processes as it relates to institutions self-reporting and whether they should cooperate with the NCAA enforcement staff. At Cal Poly, we believe we owe it to our 550 student-athletes and our university to uphold honor and integrity in everything we do, and we believe in self-reporting any and all issues as they arise. The question is whether today’s action by the NCAA encourages or discourages a culture of compliance and integrity throughout the membership nationally.
Cal Poly is grateful to everyone who has supported the university and our student-athletes throughout this process and during the more than four years it took the NCAA to reach this troubling conclusion, including the 295 days since the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions handed down its initial ruling. After going through this procedure, we will advocate for meaningful reform in the NCAA enforcement process. At Cal Poly we are unwavering in our continued commitment as written in The Mustang Way: Integrity and character shall guide all our decisions and actions.”
Horrible. Horrible abuse of power.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:10 pm
by catbooster
This is so wrong.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:12 am
by HelenaCat
This is what the NCAA does, punish the smaller schools extremely hard to look tough, but let the Power 5 schools off virtually scott free. Ridiculous.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
by grizzh8r
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:45 am
by Cataholic
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
The NCAA is a beurocratic disaster, but eliminating them would only create chaos. Can you imagine boosters openly paying to land recruits? Grades would not be a prerequisite to qualify. We would basically have semi-pro football. And small schools would be eliminated unless they have a sugar daddy supporting them.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:41 am
by bobcat99
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:45 am
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
The NCAA is a beurocratic disaster, but eliminating them would only create chaos. Can you imagine boosters openly paying to land recruits? Grades would not be a prerequisite to qualify. We would basically have semi-pro football. And small schools would be eliminated unless they have a sugar daddy supporting them.
1) Boosters are already paying recruits. Nothing new there.
2) Most schools have requisites for grades. The NCAA requires a few things like a 2.0 gpa, all core classes, minimum act/sat score. Most colleges won't be that different from that. Could there be a few cases? Maybe, but it would be miniscule.
3) Semi-pro football? We already do! Guys are getting paid millions to coach! Assistants are getting paid millions to coach! Programs like Alabama and Georgia have 30+ members of football staff not including coaches. Not including coaches man! They have analysts who are former head coaches! The major programs are all basically Semi-pro teams.
4) Why would small teams be eliminated? What would change so dramatically that small teams would be done?
The NCAA is a disaster. They rule inconsistently, and with prejudice. Mark Emmert is a clown. And they're never going to change the way they do things, because boy do they rake in the money. Boy do they enjoy the power. Things need to change for the good of the sport. Getting rid of the NCAA doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be an overruling committee, it wouldn't be exactly like the wild west, or at least, not any more than it already is.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
by Cataholic
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:41 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:45 am
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
The NCAA is a beurocratic disaster, but eliminating them would only create chaos. Can you imagine boosters openly paying to land recruits? Grades would not be a prerequisite to qualify. We would basically have semi-pro football. And small schools would be eliminated unless they have a sugar daddy supporting them.
1) Boosters are already paying recruits. Nothing new there.
2) Most schools have requisites for grades. The NCAA requires a few things like a 2.0 gpa, all core classes, minimum act/sat score. Most colleges won't be that different from that. Could there be a few cases? Maybe, but it would be miniscule.
3) Semi-pro football? We already do! Guys are getting paid millions to coach! Assistants are getting paid millions to coach! Programs like Alabama and Georgia have 30+ members of football staff not including coaches. Not including coaches man! They have analysts who are former head coaches! The major programs are all basically Semi-pro teams.
4) Why would small teams be eliminated? What would change so dramatically that small teams would be done?
The NCAA is a disaster. They rule inconsistently, and with prejudice. Mark Emmert is a clown. And they're never going to change the way they do things, because boy do they rake in the money. Boy do they enjoy the power. Things need to change for the good of the sport. Getting rid of the NCAA doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be an overruling committee, it wouldn't be exactly like the wild west, or at least, not any more than it already is.
Boosters don’t pay players. Teams have received the death penalty for that. If that happens, they will eventually be caught and be penalized. The NCAA is expected to hand out six Level 1 violations to D1 basketball programs for basically bribing players during recruiting. I am sure some programs cross the line, but the NCAA is in place to find and penalize those bad actors.
The NCAA clearly could benefit from restructuring. They are far from perfect, but their purpose is necessary. I was responding to a poster that said the NCAA needs to die. You now qualify that statement as another organization could replace the NCAA. So we don’t need the NCAA, but we need a replacement overseeing authority?
As for semi-pro status, with no NCAA, the financial difference between coaches salaries will expand to players. Would the deep pockets of Oregon and Phil Knight ever lose a recruit to Oregon State? Heck no! If Denny Washington wanted to pay $50,000 to every top Montana prospect to play in Missoula, what would happen to MSU?
How are small schools affected? If you can’t recruit players due to limited financial resources, you will never win.
The NCAA is flawed, but they serve a very important purpose.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:29 am
by Hawks86
Don't worry. The US Senate is getting involved. I'm sure they'll get it figured out to everyone's liking.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:41 am
by bobcat99
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:41 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:45 am
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
The NCAA is a beurocratic disaster, but eliminating them would only create chaos. Can you imagine boosters openly paying to land recruits? Grades would not be a prerequisite to qualify. We would basically have semi-pro football. And small schools would be eliminated unless they have a sugar daddy supporting them.
1) Boosters are already paying recruits. Nothing new there.
2) Most schools have requisites for grades. The NCAA requires a few things like a 2.0 gpa, all core classes, minimum act/sat score. Most colleges won't be that different from that. Could there be a few cases? Maybe, but it would be miniscule.
3) Semi-pro football? We already do! Guys are getting paid millions to coach! Assistants are getting paid millions to coach! Programs like Alabama and Georgia have 30+ members of football staff not including coaches. Not including coaches man! They have analysts who are former head coaches! The major programs are all basically Semi-pro teams.
4) Why would small teams be eliminated? What would change so dramatically that small teams would be done?
The NCAA is a disaster. They rule inconsistently, and with prejudice. Mark Emmert is a clown. And they're never going to change the way they do things, because boy do they rake in the money. Boy do they enjoy the power. Things need to change for the good of the sport. Getting rid of the NCAA doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be an overruling committee, it wouldn't be exactly like the wild west, or at least, not any more than it already is.
Boosters don’t pay players. Teams have received the death penalty for that. If that happens, they will eventually be caught and be penalized. The NCAA is expected to hand out six Level 1 violations to D1 basketball programs for basically bribing players during recruiting. I am sure some programs cross the line, but the NCAA is in place to find and penalize those bad actors.
The NCAA clearly could benefit from restructuring. They are far from perfect, but their purpose is necessary. I was responding to a poster that said the NCAA needs to die. You now qualify that statement as another organization could replace the NCAA. So we don’t need the NCAA, but we need a replacement overseeing authority?
As for semi-pro status, with no NCAA, the financial difference between coaches salaries will expand to players. Would the deep pockets of Oregon and Phil Knight ever lose a recruit to Oregon State? Heck no! If Denny Washington wanted to pay $50,000 to every top Montana prospect to play in Missoula, what would happen to MSU?
How are small schools affected? If you can’t recruit players due to limited financial resources, you will never win.
The NCAA is flawed, but they serve a very important purpose.
I'll be kind of blunt.
If you don't think boosters are paying players, then you are incredibly naive to the going ons of major college football. It's not usually direct cash to hand, but things of value.
Regularly, you see young men coming out of poverty stricken homes driving brand new cars, flashing wads of money around. You see their families all of a sudden getting new jobs and homes near their sons new college town when before they were working at McDonalds. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.
"If it happens they will be caught..." Lmao. What's the last public University to get major sanctions? USC - private, Miami - private, SMU - private. Private schools and small schools take the brunt of it. Then you have North Carolina, where a major academic scandal occured FOR ATHLETES, and guess what the NCAA did? Nothing.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:39 pm
by Cataholic
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:41 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:41 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:45 am
grizzh8r wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:15 pm
NCAA needs to die. Sick and tired of their corruption, greed and stupidity.
The NCAA is a beurocratic disaster, but eliminating them would only create chaos. Can you imagine boosters openly paying to land recruits? Grades would not be a prerequisite to qualify. We would basically have semi-pro football. And small schools would be eliminated unless they have a sugar daddy supporting them.
1) Boosters are already paying recruits. Nothing new there.
2) Most schools have requisites for grades. The NCAA requires a few things like a 2.0 gpa, all core classes, minimum act/sat score. Most colleges won't be that different from that. Could there be a few cases? Maybe, but it would be miniscule.
3) Semi-pro football? We already do! Guys are getting paid millions to coach! Assistants are getting paid millions to coach! Programs like Alabama and Georgia have 30+ members of football staff not including coaches. Not including coaches man! They have analysts who are former head coaches! The major programs are all basically Semi-pro teams.
4) Why would small teams be eliminated? What would change so dramatically that small teams would be done?
The NCAA is a disaster. They rule inconsistently, and with prejudice. Mark Emmert is a clown. And they're never going to change the way they do things, because boy do they rake in the money. Boy do they enjoy the power. Things need to change for the good of the sport. Getting rid of the NCAA doesn't necessarily mean there wouldn't be an overruling committee, it wouldn't be exactly like the wild west, or at least, not any more than it already is.
Boosters don’t pay players. Teams have received the death penalty for that. If that happens, they will eventually be caught and be penalized. The NCAA is expected to hand out six Level 1 violations to D1 basketball programs for basically bribing players during recruiting. I am sure some programs cross the line, but the NCAA is in place to find and penalize those bad actors.
The NCAA clearly could benefit from restructuring. They are far from perfect, but their purpose is necessary. I was responding to a poster that said the NCAA needs to die. You now qualify that statement as another organization could replace the NCAA. So we don’t need the NCAA, but we need a replacement overseeing authority?
As for semi-pro status, with no NCAA, the financial difference between coaches salaries will expand to players. Would the deep pockets of Oregon and Phil Knight ever lose a recruit to Oregon State? Heck no! If Denny Washington wanted to pay $50,000 to every top Montana prospect to play in Missoula, what would happen to MSU?
How are small schools affected? If you can’t recruit players due to limited financial resources, you will never win.
The NCAA is flawed, but they serve a very important purpose.
I'll be kind of blunt.
If you don't think boosters are paying players, then you are incredibly naive to the going ons of major college football. It's not usually direct cash to hand, but things of value.
Regularly, you see young men coming out of poverty stricken homes driving brand new cars, flashing wads of money around. You see their families all of a sudden getting new jobs and homes near their sons new college town when before they were working at McDonalds. It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together.
"If it happens they will be caught..." Lmao. What's the last public University to get major sanctions? USC - private, Miami - private, SMU - private. Private schools and small schools take the brunt of it. Then you have North Carolina, where a major academic scandal occured FOR ATHLETES, and guess what the NCAA did? Nothing.
You sound like you have seen all of this first hand... I assume you have read it all on the internet. Great source of information. You can also find some wonderful stuff about how we never walked on the moon, or how Bigfoot exists.
Michigan State and Arizona are both facing major violations for recruitment of players. Without the NCAA, these things would go unchecked. Mississippi State was just punished for tutors doing players homework. To think that those same kids have “no show” jobs and drive expensive cars is just flat out dumb.
Also, quit changing your narrative. First it was “this stuff happens all over“. Now you are saying that only private universities get punished. And what a dumb narrative. The powerful private institutions of USC or Notre Dame would never allow themselves to be persecuted yet not demand equal application of the regulations to public institutions.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:35 pm
by catbooster
Hawks86 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:29 am
Don't worry. The US Senate is getting involved. I'm sure they'll get it figured out to everyone's liking.
That'll fix it all. One of the few institutions that probably deserves less respect than the NCAA.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
by ilovethecats
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:59 pm
by grizzh8r
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
No kidding. If he really thinks that, maybe he'll buy my oceanfront property in Arizona.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:06 pm
by grizzh8r
I think the age-old adage "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" applies here. Boosters with lots of money go to great lengths to influence anything they can in order to try to put their favorite team in a position to succeed. If that means hiding surreptitious activities from the NCAA, they will. There are a lot of selfish, unscrupulous people out there.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:44 pm
by bobcat99
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Some people just don't want to know.
And fwiw, this goes on at all levels. From Alabama to Carroll College. Don't anybody think otherwise.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:20 pm
by 91catAlum
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:44 pm
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Some people just don't want to know.
And fwiw, this goes on at all levels. From Alabama to Carroll College. Don't anybody think otherwise.
I highly doubt that. At the P5 level, sure. But Carroll College?? C'mon man.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever, or do you prefer to just make claims without backing them up?
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:04 pm
by bobcat99
91catAlum wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:44 pm
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Some people just don't want to know.
And fwiw, this goes on at all levels. From Alabama to Carroll College. Don't anybody think otherwise.
I highly doubt that. At the P5 level, sure. But Carroll College?? C'mon man.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever, or do you prefer to just make claims without backing them up?
I mean...is talking to former players good enough? I'm not going to name names here if that's what you're asking for.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:08 pm
by 91catAlum
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:04 pm
91catAlum wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:44 pm
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Some people just don't want to know.
And fwiw, this goes on at all levels. From Alabama to Carroll College. Don't anybody think otherwise.
I highly doubt that. At the P5 level, sure. But Carroll College?? C'mon man.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever, or do you prefer to just make claims without backing them up?
I mean...is talking to former players good enough? I'm not going to name names here if that's what you're asking for.
And what have they told you? How much money were they paid and how often? How many players? How did the Carroll boosters get it into their hands?
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:12 pm
by bobcat99
91catAlum wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:08 pm
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:04 pm
91catAlum wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:20 pm
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:44 pm
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Cataholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:20 am
Boosters don’t pay players.
Some people just don't want to know.
And fwiw, this goes on at all levels. From Alabama to Carroll College. Don't anybody think otherwise.
I highly doubt that. At the P5 level, sure. But Carroll College?? C'mon man.
Can you provide any evidence whatsoever, or do you prefer to just make claims without backing them up?
I mean...is talking to former players good enough? I'm not going to name names here if that's what you're asking for.
And what have they told you? How much money were they paid and how often? How many players? How did the Carroll boosters get it into their hands?
I PM'd you.
Re: NCAA Abuses Power in Cal-Poly Case
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:35 am
by kcatz
Carroll is NAIA and is not governed by NCAA rules