We refuse to play UND as long as they are the Fighting Sioux

ChiOCat · Post by **ChiOCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:18 am

Oh, except for hockey. We'll still play them in hockey. But the name is offensive and we're going to take a stand. Unless it effects a highly profitable venue. Then we'll just refer you back to the other sports to see that we're taking a stand.

How can an AD even stand themself when saying this? Why aren't they called on it?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:42 am

ChiOCat wrote:Oh, except for hockey. We'll still play them in hockey. But the name is offensive and we're going to take a stand. Unless it effects a highly profitable venue. Then we'll just refer you back to the other sports to see that we're taking a stand.

How can an AD even stand themself when saying this? Why aren't they called on it?

Post by **kmax** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:29 am

What did I miss? Who's AD is saying this stuff?

NrthFce · Post by **NrthFce** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:51 am

ChiOCat wrote:Oh, except for hockey. We'll still play them in hockey. But the name is offensive and we're going to take a stand. Unless it effects a highly profitable venue. Then we'll just refer you back to the other sports to see that we're taking a stand.

How can an AD even stand themself when saying this? Why aren't they called on it?

So what I am getting from this is that the first paragraph is a quote of the AD. Right? If he said this he's an idiot, but my question is.... Where is this AD from? What college? And also, Why is he offended if they are called the Fighting Sioux? We are way to worried about offending people.
Somebody out there loves bobcats, so much so that they idolize bobcats to the point of them not wanting bobcats put down by making them mascots. I like grizzlies but hate the Griz! They shouldn't use that name anymore... it offends me!

ChiOCat · Post by **ChiOCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:53 am

http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/17/70334

So much for love thy neighbor.

Athletics Director Joel Maturi announced Dec. 18 that the University will not host University of North Dakota in any athletic competition except men's and women's hockey.

Maturi was not available to comment, but athletics spokesman Kyle Coughlin said a 2003 policy approved by the University's Advisory Committee on Athletics discouraging nonconference home games with teams using logos and mascots depicting American Indian figures will now be more strictly enforced.

"The policy has been in place; we are to not play teams with Native American nicknames that are on the NCAA list," Coughlin said. "We are now going to follow the policy."

Tom Buning, athletic director at UND, said he first heard of the University's policy about a month ago.

The University of North Dakota currently competes in Division II NCAA athletics, with the exceptions of men's and women's hockey.

With UND switching to Division I competition in 2008, the two schools will have more chances to meet - chances the University will decline.

"We started to get some feedback through the coaching channels," Buning said.

"Folks were starting to schedule games, starting to talk about opportunities and all of a sudden things went cold."

Buning said Maturi asked the Advisory Committee on Athletics for permission to override the rule.

"He got exactly the opposite answer he was expecting," Buning said.

Buning said UND will also be unable to play the University of Wisconsin and the University of Iowa because of similar policies discouraging play against schools with American Indian logos and mascots.

Melaine White Eagle-Antonio, vice president of University of North Dakota Indian Association, said the organization passed a resolution in 2005 affirming its opposition to the school's logo and nickname.

"The logo is derogatory and discriminatory," she said. "It affects our future, our past and our present."

White Eagle-Antonio, a biology junior at UND, said she thinks the University of Minnesota's announcement could bode well for those looking for a logo change.

"The reason why they don't want to change the logo is because it's costly," she said. "Obviously with other schools pulling away and not wanting to play UND, they're losing money."

Carter Meland, lecturer in the department of American Indian studies, said he supports the University's decision to avoid playing UND.

"I wish they wouldn't have to regulate it, just that common sense would dictate that these things are offensive," he said. "If a community says, 'This is degrading, this is offensive,' maybe it's time to listen to that community."

Meland said though there are more important issues for members of the American Indian community to consider, cultural logos and mascots are an important topic.

"There are much bigger, better issues in terms of things that affect culture and people's lives in very direct ways," he said. "As a cultural representation issue, it is an important one."

If it's your policy, then don't play them at all. Not that I agree with that either.

ChiOCat · Post by **ChiOCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:57 am

NrthFce wrote:
ChiOCat wrote:Oh, except for hockey. We'll still play them in hockey. But the name is offensive and we're going to take a stand. Unless it effects a highly profitable venue. Then we'll just refer you back to the other sports to see that we're taking a stand.

How can an AD even stand themself when saying this? Why aren't they called on it?
So what I am getting from this is that the first paragraph is a quote of the AD. Right? If he said this he's an idiot, but my question is.... Where is this AD from? What college? And also, Why is he offended if they are called the Fighting Sioux? We are way to worried about offending people.
Somebody out there loves bobcats, so much so that they idolize bobcats to the point of them not wanting bobcats put down by making them mascots. I like grizzlies but hate the Griz! They shouldn't use that name anymore... it offends me!

No, not a direct quote. More the Cliffs notes version of what he's saying.

Sorry, it's in the news a lot here, I assumed it was mentioned elsewhere too.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:11 am

If they were not the "Fighting Sioux" the game would probably suck.

Playing a football game against a team like the "Diplomatic Sioux" or the "Politically Correct Sioux" would probably be an easy win and not much fun for the fans.

Egg Salad · Post by **Egg Salad** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:22 am

They kind of have to play UND in hockey though, since they're in the same conference.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:44 am

Anyone that's seen Caddyshack knows that Gophers are offensive.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:06 am

I admire any school that refuses to play them in all sports ... but yeah, when a school only selectively picks the sports that they don't play them in anyway to make a statement, it's pretty lame. All or nothing, or it's not worth much.

Egg Salad · Post by **Egg Salad** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:09 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:I admire any school that refuses to play them in all sports ... but yeah, when a school only selectively picks the sports that they don't play them in anyway to make a statement, it's pretty lame. All or nothing, or it's not worth much.

But isn't that the point....Minnesota doesn't schedule UND, the WCHA does. Minnesota doesn't really have a say if they're in the same conference.

Thunder Cat · Post by **Thunder Cat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 am

What's so funny.....or stupid about this article is that the Gophers are in the Big 10 conference along with the U of Illinois.........The Fighting Illini...who happen to be a tribe in Illinois. They play them in all sports and there doesn't seem to be a "Sensitivity Issue" with them. Wisconsin and Iowa are in that conference also. I'm a 1/2 "Native American" and don't have the slightest sensitivity about Indian sports mascots. Nor do my friends and relatives that live on the "Rez". If anything, alot of them are kind of proud when the Indians beat the Yankees or the Illini beat the Fighting Irish. People that write this crap don't represent me or "My People".....they think they do, but they don't. The Gophers, Badgers, and Hawkeyes can take there advisory boards and policies and stick em in there ass as far as I'm concerned.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:18 am

Egg Salad wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I admire any school that refuses to play them in all sports ... but yeah, when a school only selectively picks the sports that they don't play them in anyway to make a statement, it's pretty lame. All or nothing, or it's not worth much.
But isn't that the point....Minnesota doesn't schedule UND, the WCHA does. Minnesota doesn't really have a say if they're in the same conference.

Yeah, but it really takes a lot of punch out of their political statement when they go ahead and play them in hockey.

Now if they really wanted to make a statement, they would forfeit their games to them in hockey.

Granted, because they are in the same conference for hockey, it's a lot harder for them to make much of a statement without really shooting themselves in the foot.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:21 am

Thunder Cat wrote:What's so funny.....or stupid about this article is that the Gophers are in the Big 10 conference along with the U of Illinois.........The Fighting Illini...who happen to be a tribe in Illinois. They play them in all sports and there doesn't seem to be a "Sensitivity Issue" with them. Wisconsin and Iowa are in that conference also. I'm a 1/2 "Native American" and don't have the slightest sensitivity about Indian sports mascots. Nor do my friends and relatives that live on the "Rez". If anything, alot of them are kind of proud when the Indians beat the Yankees or the Illini beat the Fighting Irish. People that write this crap don't represent me or "My People".....they think they do, but they don't. The Gophers, Badgers, and Hawkeyes can take there advisory boards and policies and stick em in there ass as far as I'm concerned.

Unless you are 1/2 Sioux, nobody is trying to represent you in this case. The Sioux tribes are the ones who have complained (and passed resolutions) about this particular mascot.

Thunder Cat · Post by **Thunder Cat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:33 am

Where did you get that it was the tribes that were complaining and passed a resolution? It doesn't say that anywhere in the article. It says the "Board of Advisory" recommended that they not play teams from the "List". The way I read it, is that this board is affiliated to the University of Minnyscrotum, and not to the Sioux. Maybe I'm off base here, but that's the way I read it.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:42 am

Thunder Cat wrote:Where did you get that it was the tribes that were complaining and passed a resolution? It doesn't say that anywhere in the article. It says the "Board of Advisory" recommended that they not play teams from the "List". The way I read it, is that this board is affiliated to the University of Minnyscrotum, and not to the Sioux. Maybe I'm off base here, but that's the way I read it.

I got it from reading about this subject long before this article came out. This "Board of Advisory" didn't make up this issue out of thin air ... it's been an on-going issue at UND and with the Sioux tribes for many years now.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:59 am

If it really has been an issue for years they Indians are worng again. This PC BS is getting old and it's time someone with some guts stood up to them.

We should tell them how it's going to be and be done with it.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:07 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:If it really has been an issue for years they Indians are worng again. This PC BS is getting old and it's time someone with some guts stood up to them.

We should tell them how it's going to be and be done with it.

Yeah, we kinda already did that once.

AlphaGriz1 · Post by **AlphaGriz1** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:22 pm

I know and it worked out pretty well for us.

They can comment when they start paying taxes like the rest of us.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:38 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:I know and it worked out pretty well for us.

They can comment when they start paying taxes like the rest of us.

They actually do pay federal taxes ... just like the rest of us. I'm not sure about state taxes -- that might vary by state.

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