Crazy ending to griz game.

[Potomac Griz]

Bottom line is a technical foul should have been called. A call that any ref at any level would make. Not sure why last night. Homer call or not.

Technical fouls are rarely called in those cases in college basketball. If it happened while the ball was in play then yes it would be called. The ball wasn't in play, the refs were going to check to make sure the right amount of time was on the clock anyway and it gave NAU a freebie timeout (they had none left).

Hell, look at Cal last year. Their entire student section poured onto the court after a win...except there was 1 second still on the clock. No technical foul called. Arizona state did the same thing after a big win against Arizona. Fans were even taking selfies with players! No technical foul called.

Refs in those situations (as long as it didn't happen while the ball was in play) just clear everyone out, use the PA guy to help them clear everyone out, get things under control then resume the game. What happened in the Griz vs NAU game was VERY minor compared to what happens quite often in college basketball. I watch a ton of college basketball and I can't remember a single time where it's resulted in a technical foul.

Now I'm not saying it's OK that it happened. It shouldn't have happened of course... just that it very rarely results in a technical foul even when it's on a much more severe level like the entire student section pouring onto the court delaying the game for 10 minutes.

Bringing emotion doesn't mean high fiving the student section after the benches cleared to participate in a skirmish that the coach caused.

He didn't cause the skirmish at all. Watch the video and you can see coach Murphy was the one that shoved him (or jammed a finger into his chest) to get it all started. If DeCuire was the instigator I'm pretty sure he'd be the one facing the suspension not Murphy. Murphy even apologized for it... And I don't dislike Murphy because of it, he's a fiery coach too who has NAU going in the right direction. Glad the punishment wasn't very severe.

As for high fiving the student section? Really? You have a problem with that? NAU was not on the court at that time and I for one loved the fact that DeCuire is interacting with the students after a huge win. We need more students at the games! We need that exciting atmosphere back that Dahlberg used to have. You know damn well if Fish won a huge game like that and was high-fiving the student section on the way back to the locker room you guys would love it! Besides...don't you guys often whine about how Ash has no passion and shows no emotion? Yet a coach from another team does show some emotion after a big game and all of a sudden he's a punk? K....

[bobcat99]

Murphy told DeCuire that he got "f****** lucky" when he was poking him. Pretty understandable for DeCuire to get mad, I know I would've.

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Murphy told DeCuire that he got "f****** lucky" when he was poking him. Pretty understandable for DeCuire to get mad, I know I would've.

Why? It's absolutely true. DeCuire should've just laughed and agreed. No point in getting pissed. Sounds a little immature.

[77matcat]

Good call. Would have pissed him off more. Which would have been my goal.

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[77matcat]

Smile and respond ya........rather be lucky than good and smile again


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Good call. Would have pissed him off more. Which would have been my goal.

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That, too.

[Cat Grad]

Heck, I used to watch parents get in fights after Class C District basketball games in the fieldhouse. Three Forks actually had some decent teams in the 60s and it didn't matter, Three Forks, Manhattan, Rosary, Townsend or Belgrade people fought with each over their kid's games.

I would suppose another year or two and Decuire goes the way of Heathcoate, Bandenburg, Morril, Montgomery, Krysko and Tinkle...even Blaine Taylor had a pretty decent career after he was fired from UM.

I'm glad they have a coach with UM ties and a passion for the game. He did a tremendous job in his first year as a head coach with basically in empty roster and had to kind of patch a team together...

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Heck, I used to watch parents get in fights after Class C District basketball games in the fieldhouse. Three Forks actually had some decent teams in the 60s and it didn't matter, Three Forks, Manhattan, Rosary, Townsend or Belgrade people fought with each over their kid's games.

I would suppose another year or two and Decuire goes the way of Heathcoate, Bandenburg, Morril, Montgomery, Krysko and Tinkle...even Blaine Taylor had a pretty decent career after he was fired from UM.

I'm glad they have a coach with UM ties and a passion for the game. He did a tremendous job in his first year as a head coach with basically in empty roster and had to kind of patch a team together...

And your point would be....?

[griz5700]

There was .4 remaining... it was over.

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There was .4 remaining... it was over.

.4 is not over. Just admit it. It should've been a T. If they miss you win. If they make both it gets decided in OT. Is it too much to ask to play by the rules.

[GetEm_Griz]

This thread is comical!

As others have said, it would have been a technical if the ball was in play. The ball wasn't in play, therefore, no technical...

[catatac]

Just in case someone missed it:

He's damn near in the key!

Hmmm, well to say the ball wasn't "in play" isn't very accurate. Correct, they had not inbounded it yet, but that is probably because there was a guy in a suit on the court close to a guy that was open (look at the pic and you'll see who I'm talking about - he likely would have had time to launch a shot),and who know's if he was going to go for the steal or not?

[CelticCat]

If the refs did indeed stop the clock to look at the clock, then that isn't a foul.

But when you watch the video, you can see a NAU player has the ball out of bounds looking to pass, is being actively guarded, takes a few steps and inbounds the ball to a teammate who is sprinting, just as the Griz dumbass is diving back into his bench. But you can also hear the whistle being blown before the ball is inbounded.

Basically, the Griz got lucky that the refs blew the whistle to check the clock, otherwise dumbass is mid-drive when the ball is inbounded.

[Potomac Griz]

If the refs did indeed stop the clock to look at the clock, then that isn't a foul.

But when you watch the video, you can see a NAU player has the ball out of bounds looking to pass, is being actively guarded, takes a few steps and inbounds the ball to a teammate who is sprinting, just as the Griz dumbass is diving back into his bench. But you can also hear the whistle being blown before the ball is inbounded.

Basically, the Griz got lucky that the refs blew the whistle to check the clock, otherwise dumbass is mid-drive when the ball is inbounded.

It definitely wasn't the smartest move ever, but like I posted above it happens a lot in college basketball and never or at least very rarely results in a T (as long as the ball isn't in play yet). The refs probably not only blew the whistle to check the time but also because there were extra people on the court (like they do in other games when this happens). I am thankful that NAU didn't inbound it before the whistle blew... THAT would have been a different situation and might have resulted in a T, so yeah.... Griz got a bit lucky that didn't happen.

Also that same player (Edmonds) who wasn't suited up did a great job after the game when coach Murphy got a bit out of hand (as did many of the other players for both the Griz and NAU in trying to calm things down). He basically picked up Jordan Gregory and carried him off the court to make sure he didn't get involved and do something to get himself in trouble, since he's pretty damn important to the team! So while he did let his excitement get the best of him and rush the court like a dope (as did a few fans on the other end of the court who rushed the court), he at least he somewhat atoned for it by hauling Gregory off, who can get a bit fiery at times himself.

I hope Edmonds is back next year. It really hurt to lose him early in the year due to grades. He was really starting to play well for the Griz and would have likely been the starter at the SF position for most of the year. Griz were pretty short handed this year with being down 1 scholarship (Martin's scholarship who isn't with the team anymore) then losing Edmonds to grades. Damn good job by DeCuire though taking this team who was picked to finish 8th in the conference and finishing 1st. Hoping we put up a good fight (or maybe upset) Texas A&M in the NIT. They are very beatable but...very big too & capable of blowing us out. Their leading scorer is out it sounds like though and they've struggled without him. So who knows.... one minute they take Kentucky to overtime the next minute they struggle with 9-24 Charleston and Hartford even with that guy.

Hoping Sac and NAU do well in their tournaments too and EWU sure has a tough challenge ahead...but Georgetown has a history of choking in the NCAA tournament so... hope that continues for them. Love this time of year...and Go Big Sky!

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If what he did was within the rules, then every team should start doing it. Great way to allow your defense to get in position for the inbounds play. Eliminates the opportunity for a quick, deep outlet pass from the baseline. After every made basket just send a player or assistant out there.

[catatac]

If what he did was within the rules, then every team should start doing it. Great way to allow your defense to get in position for the inbounds play. Eliminates the opportunity for a quick, deep outlet pass from the baseline. After every made basket just send a player or assistant out there.

Great point. Especially when you're down there to only a second or two in a tight game.... right when the ball goes through the hoop, have a reserve player jump out in front of the player trying to in bounds the ball.

[CelticCat]

It all comes back to the fact that I'm still bitter about the Suns/Spurs playoff series from like 2007 where Robert Horry body checked Steve Nash into the scorer's table, 3 Suns players stepped onto the court, didn't into a scuffle with Horry or any Spurs players, and they all were suspended for the next game, including Stoudemire and Boris Diaw. Horry also threw an elbow at Raja Bell I believe.

So when I see something like that, where a member of an organization can basically cheat without any real ramification, it irks (not saying this was the case here). Horry basically hobbled Nash, got two of the Suns better post players suspended for a game, and elbowed Bell in the face. Horry was suspended for 2 games for his part, but really all one has to do is sacrifice a bench player who doesn't see any real time to potentially sabotage the other teams valuable players.

[Jobu]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

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Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

I just love these I'm-going-to-show-how-fair-I-am posts we've seen around the board lately where someone sticks up for the grizz, which I guess is the ultimate way to try to brand yourself as fair.
Whether there's a rule on what that player on the bench in street clothes did or not it CLEARLY gave his team an advantage and some sort of penalty should be assessed, if one isn't already on the books. Either a T or advance the ball to mid court. He CLEARLY disrupted the NAU inbound play.
The NAU coach was wrong to go after DeCuire, but DeCuire overreacted. He could've just walked away and there's no incident.
No, this isn't a grizz thing. It's a bad rule thing. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this if there's no rule against it, which is just plain stupid.

[John K]

Sorry I'm late to this conversation but I've been out of the country.

I'm perplexed by anyone blaming Decuire for this incident. It was clearly precipitated by NAU's coach. Where's the angst against Murphy? He was clearly WAY out of line, and even admitted as much and later apologized. Frankly I'm surprised he only received a one game suspension.

Yes, a T could have been called had NAU inbounded. But the reality is, it wouldn't have been and shouldn't have been. As others have pointed out, this was nothing compared to situations you see many times every year where the floor gets flooded with fans, cheerleaders, players, coaches, mascots, and the mop guy after a last second shot, even though there's still time left on the clock. Officials are not going to determine a game with a call like that. And they shouldn't.

As for Decuire, I'm not a big fan because he's coach of the Griz. But if he coached the Cats, I'd absolutely LOVE the dude and his fire and passion. And I'm willing to bet every one on here would too. Sometimes you gotta take off the Griz blinders.

Good post...I agree completely!