2025 Griz Hail Mary

[HookedOnGriz]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

[grizzh8r]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

The outcome of that game was never in doubt and Vigen had extremely vanilla gameplans for both offense and defense for Mercyhurst. He was showing grace, humility and respect for their program, two traits Beavis knows NOTHING about. He prefers to run up the score on overmatched opponents.

[Cataholic]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

[OldGriz]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

[Cataholic]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

You mean the #10 team that barely beat St Thomas 37-30? I am sure Idaho wasn’t overrated at all!

And given your reasoning, with the Cats decisively beating the #13 in the country while the Gris almost lost to an unranked team, you fully expect “the people who actually know stuff” will rightfully rank the Cats higher on Monday?

[TomCat88]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the polls.
The coaches and most writers just look at the records. I doubt they know who anyone has played, SOS, O/D stats etc., which is why they have a selection committee.

[OldGriz]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the polls.
The coaches and most writers just look at the records. I doubt they know who anyone has played, SOS, O/D stats etc., which is why they have a selection committee.

OK, so we all know more than the FCS coaches and writers. Something tells me if the coaches or writers move the Cats ahead of the Griz tomorrow, some Cat fan in here will say the poll got it right.

[RickRund]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

You mean the #10 team that barely beat St Thomas 37-30? I am sure Idaho wasn’t overrated at all!

And given your reasoning, with the Cats decisively beating the #13 in the country while the Gris almost lost to an unranked team, you fully expect “the people who actually know stuff” will rightfully rank the Cats higher on Monday?

Me again with my favorite rating service. Coaches, writers to me can be biased or even ignorant to teams, conference. That is why I like Massey, they go by the information that is fed into them. They are by no means perfect but I just trust them more. Now my point is, the Cats, #3, just beat the #8 ranked team 34-10. The gris, ranked #5, had to go down to the wire to defeat the #39 ranked ISU, 42-38.

During the espn+ feed they asked viewers who they felt was the top qbs in the big sky. Larson was by far the top vote getter, followed by Ah Yat, I think it was a 70+% - 20+%. Pennington was o and.Cooke was 0%. Cooke put over 400 yards on the gris but got 0% respect.

End of rant.

GOOOOOO BOBCATS

I saw the qb post and it was 67% for Larson, 32% for Ah Yat and 1% for Pennington. Cooke and his 400+ yd got him zip.

[OldGriz]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

[grizzh8r]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

Yep, that's about the response I expected out of a fan of the school of dance and flair. All fluff, touchy-feely, no substance.

Totally unsurprised.

[Cataholic]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

What a second! Aren’t you the same guy that was using the polls to argue the Gris were better than the Cats? And now, given that we expect the Cats should be ahead of the Gris tomorrow, you are suddenly saying the polls are no good? GOT IT!!!!

[OldGriz]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

What a second! Aren’t you the same guy that was using the polls to argue the Gris were better than the Cats? And now, given that we expect the Cats should be ahead of the Gris tomorrow, you are suddenly saying the polls are no good? GOT IT!!!!

You have it wrong. The polls are good. If the coaches and writers lift the Cats above the Griz, so do I. All’s fair.

[TomCat88]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the polls.
The coaches and most writers just look at the records. I doubt they know who anyone has played, SOS, O/D stats etc., which is why they have a selection committee.

OK, so we all know more than the FCS coaches and writers. Something tells me if the coaches or writers move the Cats ahead of the Griz tomorrow, some Cat fan in here will say the poll got it right.

No, not “we all” but if you spend 3-4 hours looking beyond the final scores and records, you’re probably doing more research than most coaches and about half the media. It’s a big secret.

The coaches are just doing it to get along. I think most of them farm it out to a grad assistant. The media is focused on the teams in their area. The national media with a few exceptions don’t put that much effort into it.

I’ve been covering msu football since 1991. I’ve voted on numerous polls and so I’m just giving some insight on the process. There have been times that MSU has been overrated in the polls. I’ve been making fun of the polls for years on this board.

You can almost always look at the “others receiving votes” section and see teams that have no business getting a vote. Pioneer and Ivy League schools often get into the top 25 when they honestly aren’t better than .500 teams from the MVFC.

[OldGriz]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the polls.
The coaches and most writers just look at the records. I doubt they know who anyone has played, SOS, O/D stats etc., which is why they have a selection committee.

OK, so we all know more than the FCS coaches and writers. Something tells me if the coaches or writers move the Cats ahead of the Griz tomorrow, some Cat fan in here will say the poll got it right.

No, not “we all” but if you spend 3-4 hours looking beyond the final scores and records, you’re probably doing more research than most coaches and about half the media. It’s a big secret.

The coaches are just doing it to get along. I think most of them farm it out to a grad assistant. The media is focused on the teams in their area. The national media with a few exceptions don’t put that much effort into it.

I’ve been covering msu football since 1991. I’ve voted on numerous polls and so I’m just giving some insight on the process. There have been times that MSU has been overrated in the polls. I’ve been making fun of the polls for years on this board.

You can almost always look at the “others receiving votes” section and see teams that have no business getting a vote. Pioneer and Ivy League schools often get into the top 25 when they honestly aren’t better than .500 teams from the MVFC.

I greatly respect you but I just don’t agree with you. I don’t believe for a second that Vigen “farms out” his poll duty to a grad assistant. I guess you could ask him. Also, as for the phenomenon of a few undeserving teams being among “others receiving votes,” the fact that they languish in those doldrums and rank no higher in the poll is the built-in quality control against ridiculous bias.

[TomCat88]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

Griz beat the #10 team in the country a week ago. Maybe that’s why the FCS coaches and writers, who actually know stuff, rank the Griz higher than the Cats.

I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the polls.
The coaches and most writers just look at the records. I doubt they know who anyone has played, SOS, O/D stats etc., which is why they have a selection committee.

OK, so we all know more than the FCS coaches and writers. Something tells me if the coaches or writers move the Cats ahead of the Griz tomorrow, some Cat fan in here will say the poll got it right.

No, not “we all” but if you spend 3-4 hours looking beyond the final scores and records, you’re probably doing more research than most coaches and about half the media. It’s a big secret.

The coaches are just doing it to get along. I think most of them farm it out to a grad assistant. The media is focused on the teams in their area. The national media with a few exceptions don’t put that much effort into it.

I’ve been covering msu football since 1991. I’ve voted on numerous polls and so I’m just giving some insight on the process. There have been times that MSU has been overrated in the polls. I’ve been making fun of the polls for years on this board.

You can almost always look at the “others receiving votes” section and see teams that have no business getting a vote. Pioneer and Ivy League schools often get into the top 25 when they honestly aren’t better than .500 teams from the MVFC.

I greatly respect you but I just don’t agree with you. I don’t believe for a second that Vigen “farms out” his poll duty to a grad assistant. I guess you could ask him. Also, as for the phenomenon of a few undeserving teams being among “others receiving votes,” the fact that they languish in those doldrums and rank no higher in the poll is the built-in quality control against ridiculous bias.

That’s fine. I was just trying to work this out with you. Not argue with you. You’re in the vast majority in your opinion as most people have a positive opinion of football polls.

Did you see the head to head comparison between the Arizona State and Montana State games vs NAU? It’s a small sample size but if both teams played equally in terms of efficiency it’s a good representation of how good MSU is. Briefly, MSU was on the road and made numerous mistakes in the first 1.5 quarters, yet beat NAU worse than ASU, which was playing at home, in terms of score and stats. ASU (4-1, win over top 25 TCU Saturday; won at Baylor; lone loss at 4-1 Mississippi St by 4) also had a lot of penalties. Very few pollsters realize much, if any, of this.

[The Butcher]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

The idea that the Cats should drop in the polls because they “only” beat Mercyhurst by three scores is a strange argument. Their defense didn’t allow a single point. Somehow, winning by three scores against a team that wasn’t expected to compete is seen as not good enough by some griz fans and poll voters — which I find pretty odd.

[TomCat88]

Anyone that is just remotely paying attention knows beyond any doubt that MSU is better than UM. That’s not hyperbole.

You may want to rewatch that Mercyhurst game before claiming that. Your team was UGLY and looked awful. If they are capable of playing like that on any given Saturday, I wouldn’t be half as confident as you seem. But you also claimed Gillman is overrated and not every good at football so take anything you say with a grain of salt.

Another uneducated post by an uneducated poster. Cats only possessed the ball 3 times in the first half, and scored on all 3 possessions. In the second half, Cats were moving the ball well and Lamson took an ill advised long shot for the end zone which ended up as an interception. So the first team scored on 3 of their 4 possessions. The next possession was with our second string. And the 6th and final possession would have resulted in a score but regulation time expired.

As for yesterday, the Cats convincingly dominated the #13 team in the country. The Gris struggled to escape with a win against ISU.

The idea that the Cats should drop in the polls because they “only” beat Mercyhurst by three scores is a strange argument. Their defense didn’t allow a single point. Somehow, winning by three scores against a team that wasn’t expected to compete is seen as not good enough by some griz fans and poll voters — which I find pretty odd.

If MSU had only scored 17 points on 10 possessions, then it would be understandable. MSU only used five possessions to try to score. Scored on the first three. This feeds into what I was saying above about people not looking past the standings and scores when they evaluate a team. If you asked who should be ranked higher a 5-0 team winning by an average of 16.8 or a 4-2 team winning by an average of 12.8, I'd say the 5-0 team. I think anyone would.

[RickRund]

So “they” think that “they” should be ranked higher (many of them). Going by Massey (and even Sagarin) the CATS beat the #8 ranked Jacks 34-10 and the gris needed a very late td to beat the #39 rated ISU 42-38. Today’s rating didn’t change, CATS #3, gris #5, NAU dropped two spot, #10 and Idaho State stayed at 39.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

What a second! Aren’t you the same guy that was using the polls to argue the Gris were better than the Cats? And now, given that we expect the Cats should be ahead of the Gris tomorrow, you are suddenly saying the polls are no good? GOT IT!!!!

You have it wrong. The polls are good. If the coaches and writers lift the Cats above the Griz, so do I. All’s fair.

The coaches literally have interns that fill out their polls for them because they don't care. Bruce Barnum has flat out said that he makes sure all the teams they have on schedule get ranked as high as possible on his submitted polls because that helps him out.

I honestly don't care what the polls say. Even if MSU was ranked higher than UM, I've been pretty consistent on that, I just don't care what they say. I care what my eyes see in combination with what the statistics say, but as we know, stats can lie too. But seriously, if you think the coaches are spending a tremendous amount of time on their polls, you are very misguided. They don't care. The writers really only know the teams in their area. It's not hard to say that fans who pay a fair amount of attention to the FCS know more than a lot of writers. If there's one person who's poll is probably more accurate than anybody else, it's Sam Herder. I'd take his poll over the coaches poll any day, but at the end of the day, I really just don't care. It doesn't make UM better than MSU and it doesn't make MSU better than UM.

[ClowderUp]

I agree with the GO BOBCATS part. But I disagree about rankings and do not believe that data analytics are superior to qualified human judgments in assessing football program strength. Football is not engineering. But go Cats. Stay healthy.

What a second! Aren’t you the same guy that was using the polls to argue the Gris were better than the Cats? And now, given that we expect the Cats should be ahead of the Gris tomorrow, you are suddenly saying the polls are no good? GOT IT!!!!

You have it wrong. The polls are good. If the coaches and writers lift the Cats above the Griz, so do I. All’s fair.

The coaches literally have interns that fill out their polls for them because they don't care. Bruce Barnum has flat out said that he makes sure all the teams they have on schedule get ranked as high as possible on his submitted polls because that helps him out.

I honestly don't care what the polls say. Even if MSU was ranked higher than UM, I've been pretty consistent on that, I just don't care what they say. I care what my eyes see in combination with what the statistics say, but as we know, stats can lie too. But seriously, if you think the coaches are spending a tremendous amount of time on their polls, you are very misguided. They don't care. The writers really only know the teams in their area. It's not hard to say that fans who pay a fair amount of attention to the FCS know more than a lot of writers. If there's one person who's poll is probably more accurate than anybody else, it's Sam Herder. I'd take his poll over the coaches poll any day, but at the end of the day, I really just don't care. It doesn't make UM better than MSU and it doesn't make MSU better than UM.

Oldgriz knows all this. He's a troll. The correct response is more along the lines of "Nobody who's ever played the game would ever say something like this about polls, particularly in early October. This post makes clears that you don't understand the game of football".