it is official...swogger a griz

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:17 am

Brad, from following the posts about Swogger and MSU, the only thing anyone mentioned is that he did not want to decide in the timeframe that Kramer put forth. After this many people started calling him spoiled, arrogant, and primadonna. If someone can give other reasons to think this, then I am all ears, but to me, this does not make him out as a bad guy, because he does not want to decide in a day. As for his athletic ability, we will see in the Fall, but I liken this to me saying that Wheaton the transfer from UNLV will get crushed by the UM defense, that is if the guy can stay out of trouble and see the field. Let the guys show what they can do both on and off the field.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:23 am

I think most people were not interested in a one year player and slotting in a one year guy ahead of the guys we already had. The timing just doesn't work well for MSU with our guys in the program being Juniors. If you bring somebody new in, you either want somebody who could start for at least a couple years, or else displacing the established guys just isn't very cost effective.

UM is in a different position -- maybe a one year guy is perfect for their needs.

As for the recruiting process ... about 20 fewer interviews with the press would have been better for everyone. It really did make him sound like a primadonna, even if he is not. To be turned off by what we were reading is quite natural, be it the fault of the press putting him in that light or him putting himself in the position.

VictorG · Post by **VictorG** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:29 am

mquast53000 wrote:hope Selle loves his chances as starting as a true freshman now.

I'd say his chances of starting as a true Freshman where less than nill as it was! IMO won't impact him a bit.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:18 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I

As for the recruiting process ... about 20 fewer interviews with the press would have been better for everyone. It really did make him sound like a primadonna, even if he is not. To be turned off by what we were reading is quite natural, be it the fault of the press putting him in that light or him putting himself in the position.

Maybe I missed something ... What did he say in any of his interviews that made him sound like a primadonna?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:24 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I

As for the recruiting process ... about 20 fewer interviews with the press would have been better for everyone. It really did make him sound like a primadonna, even if he is not. To be turned off by what we were reading is quite natural, be it the fault of the press putting him in that light or him putting himself in the position.
Maybe I missed something ... What did he say in any of his interviews that made him sound like a primadonna?

It wasn't any one quote for me -- it was the entire drawn out public process. It gave the appearance that (he thought?) there should be a bidding war to win his love. It got old really quickly for me personally.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:25 pm

94VegasCat wrote:I'm not going to make apologies either. I am glad that he didn't go to MSU. I am a huge Carpenter fan. I saw what Carpenter did in the Spring '05 game and was very impressed.

I think Carpenter will work hard this offseason and become our starter by next year. He throws a very nice ball and does have some escapeability as well. If we get our running game going along with some nice long ball/RAC WR's we will do just fine in there as we will be running to set up the pass on play action/rolling pockets/bootlegs etc.

Keep in mind, this is my opinion only on Carpenter starting. I hope there is a LOT of competition in camp this year and may the QB who gives us the best chance to win become the starter. Carpenter has just been in the system for a while and looks like he has the tools to develop into a fine QB. So I'm kind of pulling for him. I'm sure the other QB's will have something to say about it though before the season opens up next year.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:59 pm

I was saying from the beginning I didn't want a one year QB. I was hoping he went to YSU so he wouldn't tear up the sky at EWU or UM.

We have ag ood corp of QBs I think - Carpenter, Rolovich, Coppack (or did he quit?) and Desin. It will be between Carpenter and Rolo, and I think whoever wins the starting spot between those two will put us in good shape.

FYI I've never been a fan of bringing any player in for a year. Murray did well last year, but I prefer they have at least 2 years in the system, aka Gatewood and Guinn.

That being said, I think this could be a very good get for the Griz, but I also found it odd that Hauck named him the current starter.

autocat · Post by **autocat** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:37 pm

This guy will be a great tight end, if he had any mobility or movement in the pocket WSU wouldn't have let him go!

grizhatr · Post by **grizhatr** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:37 pm

Coppack was let go. I heard that awhile ago.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:52 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:I

As for the recruiting process ... about 20 fewer interviews with the press would have been better for everyone. It really did make him sound like a primadonna, even if he is not. To be turned off by what we were reading is quite natural, be it the fault of the press putting him in that light or him putting himself in the position.
Maybe I missed something ... What did he say in any of his interviews that made him sound like a primadonna?
It wasn't any one quote for me -- it was the entire drawn out public process. It gave the appearance that (he thought?) there should be a bidding war to win his love. It got old really quickly for me personally.

You mean the total drawn out process on these chat sites. So how is that in any way a poor reflection on him?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:00 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:You mean the total drawn out process on these chat sites. So how is that in any way a poor reflection on him?

There were plenty of interviews given to legitimate news outlets. I didn't read 95% of the site stuff as it was just boring, but I did generally read the articles, and it was strange that at no point did anyone say "No comment until we reach a decision." It seemed like we were getting an updated prognosis a couple times a week, and it was a little bizarre.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:55 pm

Swogger was interested in YSU because it's close to his home town, MSU because he likes Kramer and his staff, UM because it was closest to his wife. I'm thinking Door #3 is the only option based on who it involves.

But what I really want to know is two things 1) why he doesn't just wrap it all up at WSU. He must be close to graduating, his wife is there, and he's established as a person there or; 2) why he doesn't just bring his wife with him. I assume the latter is because she's in school at WSU and close to graduating, which then reverts me back to 1.

I would think that being in Missoula with a wife in Pullman would be incredibly distracting. He has to learn this offense, get acquainted, etc. etc. all while traveling back-and-forth to WSU during any free time. Or having her travel back-and-forth, which is a bit much to ask or maybe I'm just P-W'd.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:01 pm

iaafan wrote:Swogger was interested in YSU because it's close to his home town, MSU because he likes Kramer and his staff, UM because it was closest to his wife. I'm thinking Door #3 is the only option based on who it involves.

But what I really want to know is two things 1) why he doesn't just wrap it all up at WSU. He must be close to graduating, his wife is there, and he's established as a person there or; 2) why he doesn't just bring his wife with him. I assume the latter is because she's in school at WSU and close to graduating, which then reverts me back to 1.

I would think that being in Missoula with a wife in Pullman would be incredibly distracting. He has to learn this offense, get acquainted, etc. etc. all while traveling back-and-forth to WSU during any free time. Or having her travel back-and-forth, which is a bit much to ask or maybe I'm just P-W'd.

Yep, it is going to be a busy year for him this year. He won't have to work very hard this offseason though as Hauck already has him as the starter

He better be ready for a VERY BUSY year with his wife in Pullman and new school adjustments not to mention learning a new playbook. It will be interesting to see how he handles it.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:43 pm

grizindahouse wrote:You guys are something else. The guy decides to play for the Griz, and you all make it sound like the guy could not play for Rocky Mountain. And everyone makes it sound like he is a primadonna, since he did not commit in a day when Kramer pushed the issue. Time will tell if he makes a difference on the field, but either school would have been happy to improve the talent at the QB position. As for the comment about being the starter, all that was said is that going into Spring drills he would be #1 on the depth chart, nothing beyond Spring, so everyone will get a chance.

I said from my initial post on Swogger that I didn't want him at MSU. I don't think much of his game, and I live in a Pac 10 market and watched him quite a bit at WSU.

I posted this three weeks ago, and probably before then even, but he has "Tyler Thomas" written all over him. He was the back-up QB on the last place team in the Pac 10. He couldn't beat out Alex Brink, who while being a bright guy and also nice fellow, has a proverbial 'noodle-arm' and is prone to mistakes.

Good luck with Swogger. I wish him well in every area of life outside of the football field.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:16 pm

The most interesting aspect of all this to me is the simple fact that the Griz were almost FORCED into needing Swogger because of the failure of either Washington or Bergquist to prove they were capable of effectively running the Grizzly offense.

In reality, I think Stapp & Selle are probably drooling over this move; Swogger starts for a year, Selle redshirts, and by seasons end, Washington is gone and Stapp beats out Bergquist for the #2 spot. After Swogger leaves, Stapp & Selle both beat out Bergquist & battle it out for the #1 spot in 2007.

Again, the most interesting thing is that Hauck no doubt "judged" that either Washington or Bergquist would end up running his team for at least 2 seasons; now it appears that the 2 combined to run the show in Missoula for 1 year and I'm betting that will be the end of it for those 2.

IMO, this was a desperation pickup by Hauck who KNEW after this season that he was in trouble if he started 2006 with his current QB roster. If this ends up being true, what does that say, precisely, about Bobby's supposed genius when it comes to judging & recruiting talented players?

At this moment, Hauck has FIVE scholarships tied up on QB's...

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:06 pm

El_Gato wrote:The most interesting aspect of all this to me is the simple fact that the Griz were almost FORCED into needing Swogger because of the failure of either Washington or Bergquist to prove they were capable of effectively running the Grizzly offense.

In reality, I think Stapp & Selle are probably drooling over this move; Swogger starts for a year, Selle redshirts, and by seasons end, Washington is gone and Stapp beats out Bergquist for the #2 spot. After Swogger leaves, Stapp & Selle both beat out Bergquist & battle it out for the #1 spot in 2007.

Again, the most interesting thing is that Hauck no doubt "judged" that either Washington or Bergquist would end up running his team for at least 2 seasons; now it appears that the 2 combined to run the show in Missoula for 1 year and I'm betting that will be the end of it for those 2.

IMO, this was a desperation pickup by Hauck who KNEW after this season that he was in trouble if he started 2006 with his current QB roster. If this ends up being true, what does that say, precisely, about Bobby's supposed genius when it comes to judging & recruiting talented players?

At this moment, Hauck has FIVE scholarships tied up on QB's...

msu offered a scholarship along with a dead line to accept. Was it a desperation move by Kramer?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:15 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
El_Gato wrote:The most interesting aspect of all this to me is the simple fact that the Griz were almost FORCED into needing Swogger because of the failure of either Washington or Bergquist to prove they were capable of effectively running the Grizzly offense.

In reality, I think Stapp & Selle are probably drooling over this move; Swogger starts for a year, Selle redshirts, and by seasons end, Washington is gone and Stapp beats out Bergquist for the #2 spot. After Swogger leaves, Stapp & Selle both beat out Bergquist & battle it out for the #1 spot in 2007.

Again, the most interesting thing is that Hauck no doubt "judged" that either Washington or Bergquist would end up running his team for at least 2 seasons; now it appears that the 2 combined to run the show in Missoula for 1 year and I'm betting that will be the end of it for those 2.

IMO, this was a desperation pickup by Hauck who KNEW after this season that he was in trouble if he started 2006 with his current QB roster. If this ends up being true, what does that say, precisely, about Bobby's supposed genius when it comes to judging & recruiting talented players?

At this moment, Hauck has FIVE scholarships tied up on QB's...
msu offered a scholarship along with a dead line to accept. Was it a desperation move by Kramer?

Stupid question. More than likely just not that interested. Higher priorities than a 1 year drop down & the deadline was a sh*t or get off the pot move so they could continue with other prospects.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:53 pm

Leave it to eastcoast to once again turn some honest analysis into an attack.

jersey, where did I address ANYTHING about MSU's interest in Swogger? Had he decided to come to MSU, I wouldn't necessarily called it desperation (same as not using that term regarding Rolovich) because we have absolutely NO experience at QB going into 2006. That doesn't mean I wasn't ready to have Carpenter be our guy; it's just that we were obviously set for 2005 with Lulay and no matter what, we would be looking at an unknown quantity at QB in 2006. Is that desperation? I don't think so; it's just what happens when you end up with a 4 year starter.

Once again, you miss the point: I'm pretty certain that no griz fans (or even coaches, I bet) were anticipating having to look to a desperation DI drop-down at the end of the 2005 season, mainly because it became obvious by season's end that neither of Och's successors were very good.

Had we brought in Swogger, it would have been because we don't really know what we've got simply because we are coming off a 4 year starter. That's a whole lot different, IMO, than NEEDING to bring in a 1 year DI cast-off because we have no confidence in 2 guys who each started half a season for us and proved they don't have what it takes to succeed at the I-AA level.

I'm sure you can't honestly answer this question, jersey, but please try: Did you HONESTLY think you would still be looking for a decent QB at the end of this season back in September?

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:36 pm

GOKATS wrote:
Stupid question. More than likely just not that interested. Higher priorities than a 1 year drop down & the deadline was a sh*t or get off the pot move so they could continue with other prospects.

??? if the cats weren’t interested, why would they offer a full ride?

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:48 pm

El_Gato wrote:Leave it to eastcoast to once again turn some honest analysis into an attack.

jersey, where did I address ANYTHING about MSU's interest in Swogger? Had he decided to come to MSU, I wouldn't necessarily called it desperation (same as not using that term regarding Rolovich) because we have absolutely NO experience at QB going into 2006. That doesn't mean I wasn't ready to have Carpenter be our guy; it's just that we were obviously set for 2005 with Lulay and no matter what, we would be looking at an unknown quantity at QB in 2006. Is that desperation? I don't think so; it's just what happens when you end up with a 4 year starter.

Once again, you miss the point: I'm pretty certain that no griz fans (or even coaches, I bet) were anticipating having to look to a desperation DI drop-down at the end of the 2005 season, mainly because it became obvious by season's end that neither of Och's successors were very good.

Had we brought in Swogger, it would have been because we don't really know what we've got simply because we are coming off a 4 year starter. That's a whole lot different, IMO, than NEEDING to bring in a 1 year DI cast-off because we have no confidence in 2 guys who each started half a season for us and proved they don't have what it takes to succeed at the I-AA level.

I'm sure you can't honestly answer this question, jersey, but please try: Did you HONESTLY think you would still be looking for a decent QB at the end of this season back in September?

Do you honestly think Kramer would have offered him a full ride if he didn’t have serious concerns about the existing QB's. I'm sure he is a little more than concerned about the lack of any QB who has proved they have what it takes to succeed at the I-AA level.

I am not sure we need to bring on a QB. We have two more QB's on the roster. They may or may not be great QB’s

I sure I can honestly answer your question. I know you followed the Griz program back in August and September. Is your memory that short that you can not remember all the concerns we had about our QB situation? We had the same concerns in spring ball.