No Jimmy Wilson post

[crazycat]

And then there's this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3025453

The 6th Longhorn arrested since JUNE! I like how all of these Texas arrests are nicely swept under the rug, meanwhile football in Montana as a state is a media punching bag.

Maybe it's good we're a punching bag in some way. The media reacts to crime here, because it's rare (i.e. a story). In Texas, it's ho-hum.

I wouldn't say it's ho hum, it was on the front page of the sports section here in Austin. I hate the Longhorns and all the fans, but I will give Mack Brown some credit, he runs a very open program and he deals with the stuff that pops up at every college in the nation pretty well.

I guess I should've said nationally it's ho-hum. AlphaGriz the Hairsplitter.

[Cats Meow]

There are classless fans in both camps.

[tampa_griz]

Interestlingly, Qwenton Freeman was found innocent of the assault charge that got him kicked off of the team. He still faces trouble for hitting his girlfriend but it was the downtown incident that got him booted.

http://www.montanakaimin.com/index.php/ ... _aquittal/

I only bring this up because a lot of people have razzed Hauck for "indefinitely suspending" JW instead of formally throwing him off the team. Aside from the fact that we all know JW will never again wear a Griz uniform and that we're really splitting hairs with that argument, this is an example of why Hauck's suspension decison was probably the correct one. I would imagine that after returning to Missoula, Freeman was told to keep his nose clean...stay away from bars, alcohol, etc. His refusal to do so probably got him booted, regardless of his innocence in the assault.

At any rate, Freeman's still a punk and I'm glad he's not a Griz. I just wanted to point out why it can be dangerous to punish people before a conviction (if there's a possibility of innocence) is obtained.

[catatac]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

[mslacat]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

Because he is a potential all conference player!

[tampa_griz]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

[crazycat]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I don't see this as a UM vs. MSU thing. What I'm taking from this article is that Freeman may have a legitimate (not on a legal level) beef. He seems to be saying "why was I kicked off and then Quinn isn't. We had zero tolerance and he got a DUI. What's the difference."
Then again the team could've had the zero tolerance on fighting and not drinking? As I write that it really doesn't add up. It is kind of hard to understand how one gets booted and not the other, so I can see Freeman's point.

Still he's obviously a menace and it's probably good he's gone before he
really screwed up.

And what's this I hear about Chris Clark wearing a "Free My Jimmy" t-shirt with a picture of Jimmy Wilson on it? That's a little scary, if true.

[coachouert]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I'm pretty sure that O'Day stated publicly in the Missoulian that there was a zero tolerance policy BEFORE Quinn was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving.

[tampa_griz]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I don't see this as a UM vs. MSU thing. What I'm taking from this article is that Freeman may have a legitimate (not on a legal level) beef. He seems to be saying "why was I kicked off and then Quinn isn't. We had zero tolerance and he got a DUI. What's the difference."
Then again the team could've had the zero tolerance on fighting and not drinking? As I write that it really doesn't add up. It is kind of hard to understand how one gets booted and not the other, so I can see Freeman's point.

Still he's obviously a menace and it's probably good he's gone before he
really screwed up.

And what's this I hear about Chris Clark wearing a "Free My Jimmy" t-shirt with a picture of Jimmy Wilson on it? That's a little scary, if true.

I agree to the extent that Freeman could have a beef with UM. That was kind of my point. No one's going to care because Freeman later beat up his girlfriend so we're all still glad he's not on the team. Well, I guess I should say allegedly beat up his girlfriend. But UM got lucky on that one. What if he hadn't been charged with assaulting his girlfriend? We would have dismissed a member of the team who wasn't guilty of committing a crime.

And yes Mr. Freeman, there is a huge difference between a DUI and throwing a bottle at someone's head. I understand that drunk drivers kill people, but getting behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated usually doesn't involve an intention to hurt someone. Not true if you throw a bottle at someone. DUI, while very very very very bad, is a lapse in judgement. Assault is an intention to cause physical harm to someone. I'm glad you were cleared because it appears you're innocent of that but I'm still glad you were thrown from the team. And I wish Quinn was with you.

[coachouert]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I'm pretty sure that O'Day stated publicly in the Missoulian that there was a zero tolerance policy BEFORE Quinn was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving.

Here's what I was talking about. I agree with you Tampa, that I don't want these athletes "who don't get it" to be on any team, whether it be MSU, UM, Tech, Rocky etc.

"These are serious matters, and it is very disturbing,” UM Athletic Director Jim O'Day said in the statement. “At this point, we are following a zero-tolerance policy, and Qwenton made a bad error in judgment. To that end, he will no longer be a member of the Montana Grizzly football team.”

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2007 ... news01.txt

[tampa_griz]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I'm pretty sure that O'Day stated publicly in the Missoulian that there was a zero tolerance policy BEFORE Quinn was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving.

And I'm fairly certain that Fields/Ash said the same thing BEFORE a few players were in trouble for egging houses. I know I know I know....DUI and egging houses aren't the same thing. But zero-tolerance means no wiggle room....thus the use of the term "zero-tolerance". Obviously no one (even if they claim it) really implements it. And I think the players that were egging houses were dealt with appropriately.

I seriously didn't mean for this thread to go down this road. I don't care about Quinn and I wish we could wave goodbye to him. Again I'll state that my only point was that sometimes it's better to wait it out (because of ultimately happened with Freeman being cleared)....especially when suspension vs. dismissal doesn't make any difference in the particular case (Wilson).

[crazycat]

Tampa - on a somewhat related note, does anyone know why Quinn was allowed to stay on the team following his two screw-ups, AFTER Bobby had imposed the zero-tolerance rule?

The only screw-up I'm aware of (while at Montana) is the DUI. And the only zero-tolerance policy (regarding the gag order) I've heard of regarding Quinn is on message boards. I'm not sure why Hauck decided to keep him. I wouldn't have. Quinn doesn't seem like he "gets it".

But each situation has its own ambiguities. Some players are removed immediately...some are given second chances. The Cats as well have had, and currently have, players on their rosters as well that screwed up legally and were allowed to come on or remain on the team.

EDIT: Further, my post wasn't intended to start a "our program is cleaner than your program!" argument. I was trying explain why an "indefinite suspension" vs. dismissal might be the correct decision in cases like this. But if you want to claim that every Bobcat athlete/coach/etc. is barred or immediately dismissed from the program after a legal transgression....well....knock yourself out I guess. I don't really care.

I don't see this as a UM vs. MSU thing. What I'm taking from this article is that Freeman may have a legitimate (not on a legal level) beef. He seems to be saying "why was I kicked off and then Quinn isn't. We had zero tolerance and he got a DUI. What's the difference."
Then again the team could've had the zero tolerance on fighting and not drinking? As I write that it really doesn't add up. It is kind of hard to understand how one gets booted and not the other, so I can see Freeman's point.

Still he's obviously a menace and it's probably good he's gone before he
really screwed up.

And what's this I hear about Chris Clark wearing a "Free My Jimmy" t-shirt with a picture of Jimmy Wilson on it? That's a little scary, if true.

I agree to the extent that Freeman could have a beef with UM. That was kind of my point. No one's going to care because Freeman later beat up his girlfriend so we're all still glad he's not on the team. Well, I guess I should say allegedly beat up his girlfriend. But UM got lucky on that one. What if he hadn't been charged with assaulting his girlfriend? We would have dismissed a member of the team who wasn't guilty of committing a crime.

And yes Mr. Freeman, there is a huge difference between a DUI and throwing a bottle at someone's head. I understand that drunk drivers kill people, but getting behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated usually doesn't involve an intention to hurt someone. Not true if you throw a bottle at someone. DUI, while very very very very bad, is a lapse in judgement. Assault is an intention to cause physical harm to someone. I'm glad you were cleared because it appears you're innocent of that but I'm still glad you were thrown from the team. And I wish Quinn was with you.

Yeah, that makes sense. Obviously throwing a bottle is intent to harm. I was going in that direction, but couldn't polish off my thought. It's Friday.

I'm not completely sold that Quinn should be off the team. I do think he needs to be in rehab. I mean isn't he up to three DUIs and at the ripe ol' age of what 21? Duh, like, hello...I think we got ourselves a problem drinker over here.

[John K]

And if the Freeman/Quinn/Wilson disciplinary prodedures weren't ambiguous enough for you....throw the Jason Washington scenario into the mix, and try to find a thread of logic in the way that these four players situations were handled.

[GrizinWashington]

And if the Freeman/Quinn/Wilson disciplinary prodedures weren't ambiguous enough for you....throw the Jason Washington scenario into the mix, and try to find a thread of logic in the way that these four players situations were handled.

Isn't this just the point? None of us know what the hell happened behind the scenes in any of those situations, so perhaps we should all just shut the hell up about them.

[Cats Meow]

Freeman had lots of problems in Arizona, which Hauck knew about while discussing him with UA coaches. Yet, he still signed him. There should be no surprises about Freeman's conduct while in Missoula. Trouble has always followed this guy wherever he has played.

[crazycat]

It now appears UM's Tim Parks name will be added to the list. A report on TV said he was charged with some sort of domestic abuse. His is a senior cornerback, but is red-shirting this year. Kind of strange that he would be a red-shirt after three years, especially considering that UM lost two corners going into the season.

[BWahlberg]

It now appears UM's Tim Parks name will be added to the list. A report on TV said he was charged with some sort of domestic abuse. His is a senior cornerback, but is red-shirting this year. Kind of strange that he would be a red-shirt after three years, especially considering that UM lost two corners going into the season.

He's been injured a lot, pretty fragile for a football player, IMO.

This stinks (probably more bad press for the state of Montana's football) , he hasn't been arraigned yet and there's not much posted up on news sites yet. If found guilty he'll probably get the same treatment that Quinton Freeman had, if I could guess.

Also someone earlier mentioned the dismissing of Jason Washington and how the situation was handled. He was not participating in team meetings and his injury prevented him from playing this year (I've heard). When released Bobby & Co. let him keep his scholarship so he could finish out his degree. Seems pretty fair to me.

[Cats Meow]

It now appears UM's Tim Parks name will be added to the list. A report on TV said he was charged with some sort of domestic abuse. His is a senior cornerback, but is red-shirting this year. Kind of strange that he would be a red-shirt after three years, especially considering that UM lost two corners going into the season.

He's been injured a lot, pretty fragile for a football player, IMO.

This stinks (probably more bad press for the state of Montana's football) , he hasn't been arraigned yet and there's not much posted up on news sites yet. If found guilty he'll probably get the same treatment that Quinton Freeman had, if I could guess.

Also someone earlier mentioned the dismissing of Jason Washington and how the situation was handled. He was not participating in team meetings and his injury prevented him from playing this year (I've heard). When released Bobby & Co. let him keep his scholarship so he could finish out his degree. Seems pretty fair to me.

Sticking up for Hauck when yet another of his thug recruits gets arrested is predictable from you, Re/Max. It think you were party to slamming Kramer for recruiting thugs, am I correct? What goes around comes around....perhaps you have heard that before.

[GrizinWashington]

It now appears UM's Tim Parks name will be added to the list. A report on TV said he was charged with some sort of domestic abuse. His is a senior cornerback, but is red-shirting this year. Kind of strange that he would be a red-shirt after three years, especially considering that UM lost two corners going into the season.

He's been injured a lot, pretty fragile for a football player, IMO.

This stinks (probably more bad press for the state of Montana's football) , he hasn't been arraigned yet and there's not much posted up on news sites yet. If found guilty he'll probably get the same treatment that Quinton Freeman had, if I could guess.

Also someone earlier mentioned the dismissing of Jason Washington and how the situation was handled. He was not participating in team meetings and his injury prevented him from playing this year (I've heard). When released Bobby & Co. let him keep his scholarship so he could finish out his degree. Seems pretty fair to me.

Sticking up for Hauck when yet another of his thug recruits gets arrested is predictable from you, Re/Max. It think you were party to slamming Kramer for recruiting thugs, am I correct? What goes around comes around....perhaps you have heard that before.

Seven quality posts by catsmeow. His mom should be very proud.

[Cats Meow]

It now appears UM's Tim Parks name will be added to the list. A report on TV said he was charged with some sort of domestic abuse. His is a senior cornerback, but is red-shirting this year. Kind of strange that he would be a red-shirt after three years, especially considering that UM lost two corners going into the season.

He's been injured a lot, pretty fragile for a football player, IMO.

This stinks (probably more bad press for the state of Montana's football) , he hasn't been arraigned yet and there's not much posted up on news sites yet. If found guilty he'll probably get the same treatment that Quinton Freeman had, if I could guess.

Also someone earlier mentioned the dismissing of Jason Washington and how the situation was handled. He was not participating in team meetings and his injury prevented him from playing this year (I've heard). When released Bobby & Co. let him keep his scholarship so he could finish out his degree. Seems pretty fair to me.

Sticking up for Hauck when yet another of his thug recruits gets arrested is predictable from you, Re/Max. It think you were party to slamming Kramer for recruiting thugs, am I correct? What goes around comes around....perhaps you have heard that before.

Seven quality posts by catsmeow. His mom should be very proud.

If you can not handle the smack, then try smack-lite.