2025 Griz Hail Mary

[Cataholic]

Maybe. This story makes it sound like the Cats and Griz have been even-Steven the last 5 years. Simply not true.

The author uses the last three years as a comparison. Meanwhile, since 2019 the Cats were in 4 semi finals and two finals. Griz 1 semi and 1 final. Cats have two undefeated seasons and only four losses in the BSC. Griz have one 7-1 season and 12 losses.

The last three years Cats are 22-2, Griz 16-8.

Cute, using the old “conference records only” for your analysis. This would be effective if all the teams played the same teams. This is a terrible statistical analysis when the same teams don’t play each other. Quite literally apples to oranges.

If you look at the most wins by an FCS coach, the last five years, both Vigen and Hauck are at the tops of that list. Seems to me they can both coach.

Pathetic. How many FCS coaches have been coaching the same team the last five years? Not Vigen. But in his four years he’s won 29 conference games, 47 overall. Hauck has 22 and 40 in that same timeframe. 29-3 (90%) vs 22-10.
(69%). 11 of the 22 vs psu, ISU, UNC and Poly. 47-11 vs 40-15. It isn’t close and MSU has played a tougher schedule. League and overall. MSU played one of the toughest schedules in FCS history in 2023 vs six top 10 with 5 on the road. Non-conference vs Wyoming, Oregon St, New Mexico, NDSU three times, SDSU twice. Only two of those at home. No D2s. And MSU has a better record vs common opponents.

Wow! Taking from your quote above:

Hauck was 22-10 in conference play (69%). 11 of the 22 vs psu, ISU, UNC and Poly.

It is incredible to think that if you remove Griz wins over PSU, ISU, UNC and Poly, they are only 11-10 against the upper half of the conference. That should be a clear indication of how average the Gris have become.

[Prodigal Cat]

Bobcat playoff record 2021-2024: 8-4
Championship appearances: 2
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 3x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x

Griz playoff record 2021-2024: 6-4
Championship appearances: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x, Other 2x

Bobcats playoff appearances: 6
Cat-Griz wins: 4
Bobcat playoff record 2018-2024: 11-6
Championship appearances: 2
Semifinals: 4
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 5x, Nat'l Runner Up 1

Griz playoff appearances: 5
Cat-Griz wins: 2
Griz playoff record 2018-2024: 7-5
Championship appearances: 1
Semifinals: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 2x Other 2x

One small correction. Cats lost to Nat'l Champ 5X and the semifinal loser. Bison lost to the griz in '23

[coloradocat]

Bobcat playoff record 2021-2024: 8-4
Championship appearances: 2
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 3x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x

Griz playoff record 2021-2024: 6-4
Championship appearances: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x, Other 2x

Bobcats playoff appearances: 6
Cat-Griz wins: 4
Bobcat playoff record 2018-2024: 11-6
Championship appearances: 2
Semifinals: 4
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 5x, Nat'l Runner Up 1

Griz playoff appearances: 5
Cat-Griz wins: 2
Griz playoff record 2018-2024: 7-5
Championship appearances: 1
Semifinals: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 2x Other 2x

Yeah but what if they do the compare going back to 1995?!

I kept it to Vigen vs Bobbi as those are the current coaches but you can dice up all kinds of historical comparisons.

[TomCat88]

Bobcat playoff record 2021-2024: 8-4
Championship appearances: 2
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 3x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x

Griz playoff record 2021-2024: 6-4
Championship appearances: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 1x, Other 2x

Bobcats playoff appearances: 6
Cat-Griz wins: 4
Bobcat playoff record 2018-2024: 11-6
Championship appearances: 2
Semifinals: 4
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 5x, Nat'l Runner Up 1

Griz playoff appearances: 5
Cat-Griz wins: 2
Griz playoff record 2018-2024: 7-5
Championship appearances: 1
Semifinals: 1
Lost to: Nat'l Champ 1x, Nat'l Runner Up 2x Other 2x

Yeah but what if they do the compare going back to 1995?!

I kept it to Vigen vs Bobbi as those are the current coaches but you can dice up all kinds of historical comparisons.

I should’ve titled mine. Hauck 2.0.