Let’s get weird?

The place for news, information and discussion of athletics at "other" schools.

Moderators: rtb, kmax, SonomaCat

Prodigal Cat
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1437
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:50 am

Let’s get weird?

Post by Prodigal Cat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:21 pm

Sac St Qb just tried to throw the ball across the line on a scramble into the end zone for a TD. Weber knocks off EWU. If NAU can pull off the upset, Cats will be alone as the only unbeaten in the BSC. LETS GO JACKS!


Brewer/Owner Copper Furrow Brewing

91catAlum
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 9697
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:41 pm
Location: Clancy, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by 91catAlum » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 pm

Sac is up 23-0 before halftime. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen. We really needed the griz to beat them...


Image

User avatar
coloradocat
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 4824
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by coloradocat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm

Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.


Eastwood, did not make it. Ball out! Recovered, by Montana State!! The Bobcats hold!!! The Bobcats hold!!!

91catAlum
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 9697
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:41 pm
Location: Clancy, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by 91catAlum » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.


Image

Prodigal Cat
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1437
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:50 am

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by Prodigal Cat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:37 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Sure but I’m a selfish a**hole. I hate the whole shared conference championship. I want that SOB all to myself and by myself I mean the Cats. I really have nothing to do with winning it.


Brewer/Owner Copper Furrow Brewing

Prodigal Cat
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1437
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:50 am

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by Prodigal Cat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:43 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 pm
Sac is up 23-0 before halftime. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen. We really needed the griz to beat them...
Yes. It turns out NAU is bad at the footballs.


Brewer/Owner Copper Furrow Brewing

User avatar
coloradocat
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 4824
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by coloradocat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.


Eastwood, did not make it. Ball out! Recovered, by Montana State!! The Bobcats hold!!! The Bobcats hold!!!

91catAlum
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 9697
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:41 pm
Location: Clancy, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by 91catAlum » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:47 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
Lol well for playoff seeding you are right, it doesn't matter much. But the first team goal is to win the Big Sky Conference, and be conference champs.


Image

User avatar
RickRund
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 7316
Joined: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:08 pm
Location: Post Falls ID

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by RickRund » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:48 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:43 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:17 pm
Sac is up 23-0 before halftime. Doesn't look like it's gonna happen. We really needed the griz to beat them...
Yes. It turns out NAU is bad at the footballs.
No kidding. 37-0.


msubobcats@outlook.com
Audiatur et altura pars: Let both sides be fairly heard.
Audi alteram partem: listen to the other side.

Prodigal Cat
2nd Team All-BobcatNation
Posts: 1437
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:50 am

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by Prodigal Cat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:54 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
Seriously? Goals for this season in order:
1. Be a winning team
2. Win the Big Sky Conference (hang a banner)
3. Beat the griz
4. Make the playoffs
5. Win playoff games
6. Win a Natty

If you don’t have winning a conference title in your goals for the season the others won’t matter a lick. Winning the conference makes the other goals realistic.


Brewer/Owner Copper Furrow Brewing

onceacat
BobcatNation Hall of Famer
Posts: 3615
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by onceacat » Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:02 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:54 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
Seriously? Goals for this season in order:
1. Be a winning team
2. Win the Big Sky Conference (hang a banner)
3. Beat the griz
4. Make the playoffs
5. Win playoff games
6. Win a Natty

If you don’t have winning a conference title in your goals for the season the others won’t matter a lick. Winning the conference makes the other goals realistic.
Might be nitpicking, but a winning record isn't so much a "goal" as it is a baseline expectation. As in, "Any MSU coach & his entire staff that has a losing record should expect to be fired prior to the first playoff game".

And I think that #2 should be "Beat the Griz" and "Win the Conference" is more like #5, because the Cats can have a pretty disappointing season (like 2014 & 2018) and still make the playoffs...and given the FCS playoff expansion, beating a 6-5 team like Incarnate Word (2018) is a low bar for even a mediocre team like 2018.

This season, the Cats could finish 9-2 (7-1 in conference) and not even share in the conference championship...even though in that scenario the Cats would probably be a Top 5 team, and the team that went undefeated in conference play (Sac St in this case) was ranked roughly #10.

So "hanging a banner" is more like #5 IMO.



Cataholic
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 6691
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by Cataholic » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:39 am

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Both teams are declared conference champs if we are tied with Sac State at the end of the season. It really doesn’t matter if Sac loses.



User avatar
PapaG
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 8549
Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:44 am
Location: The Magic City, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by PapaG » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:07 am

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
You act like winning a Big Sky Championship is no big deal. How about asking some players who have won one? I’m sure they will disagree.


Seattle to Billings to Missoula to Bozeman to Portland to Billings

What a ride

User avatar
PapaG
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 8549
Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:44 am
Location: The Magic City, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by PapaG » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:11 am

onceacat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:02 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:54 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
Seriously? Goals for this season in order:
1. Be a winning team
2. Win the Big Sky Conference (hang a banner)
3. Beat the griz
4. Make the playoffs
5. Win playoff games
6. Win a Natty

If you don’t have winning a conference title in your goals for the season the others won’t matter a lick. Winning the conference makes the other goals realistic.
Might be nitpicking, but a winning record isn't so much a "goal" as it is a baseline expectation. As in, "Any MSU coach & his entire staff that has a losing record should expect to be fired prior to the first playoff game".

And I think that #2 should be "Beat the Griz" and "Win the Conference" is more like #5, because the Cats can have a pretty disappointing season (like 2014 & 2018) and still make the playoffs...and given the FCS playoff expansion, beating a 6-5 team like Incarnate Word (2018) is a low bar for even a mediocre team like 2018.

This season, the Cats could finish 9-2 (7-1 in conference) and not even share in the conference championship...even though in that scenario the Cats would probably be a Top 5 team, and the team that went undefeated in conference play (Sac St in this case) was ranked roughly #10.

So "hanging a banner" is more like #5 IMO.
You really think that winning a Big Sky Championship means nothing to the players? You just devalued the accomplishments of some great Bobcat teams. Is this Bad Take Weekend and nobody messaged me?


Seattle to Billings to Missoula to Bozeman to Portland to Billings

What a ride

onceacat
BobcatNation Hall of Famer
Posts: 3615
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by onceacat » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:09 am

PapaG wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:11 am
onceacat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 10:02 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:54 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:45 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Ooh, a banner! It would be nice but I don't think it matters.
Seriously? Goals for this season in order:
1. Be a winning team
2. Win the Big Sky Conference (hang a banner)
3. Beat the griz
4. Make the playoffs
5. Win playoff games
6. Win a Natty

If you don’t have winning a conference title in your goals for the season the others won’t matter a lick. Winning the conference makes the other goals realistic.
Might be nitpicking, but a winning record isn't so much a "goal" as it is a baseline expectation. As in, "Any MSU coach & his entire staff that has a losing record should expect to be fired prior to the first playoff game".

And I think that #2 should be "Beat the Griz" and "Win the Conference" is more like #5, because the Cats can have a pretty disappointing season (like 2014 & 2018) and still make the playoffs...and given the FCS playoff expansion, beating a 6-5 team like Incarnate Word (2018) is a low bar for even a mediocre team like 2018.

This season, the Cats could finish 9-2 (7-1 in conference) and not even share in the conference championship...even though in that scenario the Cats would probably be a Top 5 team, and the team that went undefeated in conference play (Sac St in this case) was ranked roughly #10.

So "hanging a banner" is more like #5 IMO.
You really think that winning a Big Sky Championship means nothing to the players? You just devalued the accomplishments of some great Bobcat teams. Is this Bad Take Weekend and nobody messaged me?
Not sure how you got that out of what I said. Winning a conference championship is a big deal & reall tough to do. Getting to the playoffs & winning a game is pretty perfunctory for MSU.



onceacat
BobcatNation Hall of Famer
Posts: 3615
Joined: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by onceacat » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:10 am

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:39 am
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Both teams are declared conference champs if we are tied with Sac State at the end of the season. It really doesn’t matter if Sac loses.
Obviously. But that wasn’t the scenario I was describing.



91catAlum
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 9697
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:41 pm
Location: Clancy, MT

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:44 am

Cataholic wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:39 am
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Both teams are declared conference champs if we are tied with Sac State at the end of the season. It really doesn’t matter if Sac loses.
Sac has a much easier schedule remaining. The Cats have 2 very tough road games remaining. Most likely we will drop one of those 2 games. So Yes, it does matter if Sac loses.


Image

Cataholic
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 6691
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:09 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by Cataholic » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:38 am

91catAlum wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:44 am
Cataholic wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:39 am
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:36 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:32 pm
Since we're already going to make the playoffs does it really matter whether we win the conference or not? It wouldn't be surprising for us to be seeded/ranked higher than Sac in the playoff field and we'll almost definitely play further into the bracket then them.
Yes it matters. When you win the conference, you get to hang a banner, and add a year to the big sign, for 2021 Big Sky Conference Champs.
We haven't won the conference since 2012.
Both teams are declared conference champs if we are tied with Sac State at the end of the season. It really doesn’t matter if Sac loses.
Sac has a much easier schedule remaining. The Cats have 2 very tough road games remaining. Most likely we will drop one of those 2 games. So Yes, it does matter if Sac loses.
I am assuming we win out. Only concerned about we can control ourselves.



MSU01
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 7565
Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:21 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by MSU01 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:35 pm

IMO, conference championships have become very devalued ever since the Big Sky expanded to the extent that not every team plays the same conference schedule. Make it to the playoffs and the real best team in the conference will be revealed there.



User avatar
coloradocat
Golden Bobcat
Posts: 4824
Joined: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:24 pm

Re: Let’s get weird?

Post by coloradocat » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:38 pm

MSU01 wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:35 pm
IMO, conference championships have become very devalued ever since the Big Sky expanded to the extent that not every team plays the same conference schedule. Make it to the playoffs and the real best team in the conference will be revealed there.
Add to that the fact that a minimum of 3 teams from the conference make the playoffs every year. A conference banner is a good goal for the team but as fans I think we'd rather have a seed and a team built for December football.


Eastwood, did not make it. Ball out! Recovered, by Montana State!! The Bobcats hold!!! The Bobcats hold!!!

Post Reply