Maybe it is time to rally behind Coach Kramer?

[Blue and Gold]

I know this post may surprise many after the last three home games. I was also disappointed after yesterday's game. I was impressed with the loyalties of the MSU students, and Cat fans, who showed up one more time to watch our team get on track. I hope we continue to show up.

The talk of the tailgate was that "it is time for a change"...."Perhaps Van Diest should buy a house now while rates are good". It is very easy to join this party.....and it is a party of loyal Cat fans/boosters.

But....how can we loyal boosters/fans overlook that Kramer has won 3 of the last 4 Big Sky titles, filled the house, given us a reason for this forum, and by the way, broken the Grizzly streak?

He is also coaching without Force, Smith, Davis, Matakis, Barnhart, Groves, (now Pap), a healthy Epi...and he has a first year QB, that really had no chance to show himself in the shadow of Lulay.

Kramer did not hype this team. I think he was aware of the challenges we would face.

The guy is a good "head coach" and a good man. What is the guy to do when our fickle fans are ready to run him out of town the first time our team struggles? While the same bunch of us are complaining about some of his recruits...What is the guy to do?

I propose we show Kramer our loyal support, as he has given us a reason to hope. Lets give the guy some credit that he can make the proper adjustments recruiting and or with his coaching staff to get the train back on track.

Remember those Grizzly fans we made fun of the first time they cried wolf with that so-called idiot Hauck? Well, those fickle fans and that idiot Hauck got to enjoy a crushing victory over Sac State yesterday.

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

I have not accepted losing....I am an optimist. While we lost yesterday, a bad day at Bobcat Stadium with my son, is much better than a good day at work. It was not always so...Kramer gets some credit for creating this energy. I give him the credit that we will be back on track soon.

[Hell's Bells]

I know this post may surprise many after the last three home games. I was also disappointed after yesterday's game. I was impressed with the loyalties of the MSU students, and Cat fans, who showed up one more time to watch our team get on track. I hope we continue to show up.

The talk of the tailgate was that "it is time for a change"...."Perhaps Van Diest should buy a house now while rates are good". It is very easy to join this party.....and it is a party of loyal Cat fans/boosters.

But....how can we loyal boosters/fans overlook that Kramer has won 3 of the last 4 Big Sky titles, filled the house, given us a reason for this forum, and by the way, broken the Grizzly streak?

He is also coaching without Force, Smith, Davis, Matakis, Barnhart, Groves, (now Pap), a healthy Epi...and he has a first year QB, that really had no chance to show himself in the shadow of Lulay.

Kramer did not hype this team. I think he was aware of the challenges we would face.

The guy is a good "head coach" and a good man. What is the guy to do when our fickle fans are ready to run him out of town the first time our team struggles? While the same bunch of us are complaining about some of his recruits...What is the guy to do?

I propose we show Kramer our loyal support, as he has given us a reason to hope. Lets give the guy some credit that he can make the proper adjustments recruiting and or with his coaching staff to get the train back on track.

Remember those Grizzly fans we made fun of the first time they cried wolf with that so-called idiot Hauck? Well, those fickle fans and that idiot Hauck got to enjoy a crushing victory over Sac State yesterday.

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

I have not accepted losing....I am an optimist. While we lost yesterday, a bad day at Bobcat Stadium with my son, is much better than a good day at work. It was not always so...Kramer gets some credit for creating this energy. I give him the credit that we will be back on track soon.

good post but be prepaired to be flamed by gwb

[nevadacat]

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

Hear, hear! And if we can't withhold our judgment, can we at least hold our tongues a little longer?

[Platinumcat]

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

Hear, hear! And if we can't withhold our judgment, can we at least hold our tongues a little longer?

[G.W.Bush]

Kramer is 33-41 as MSU's head coach, and is 2-4 against D-II schools. What reasonable fan would expect more from a program? If Kramer wins the last 7 games of the season he will be 40-41, almost 500 and officially mediocre. Right now Kramer is just barely not mediocre, so he is just what our program needs!

[couloir41]

it is time somebody started a thread supporting the coach and attempting to...at least for a time...avert his public hanging...mob rule has a way of perverting everyone's more admirable sensibilities...

the posting during this rough period has taken a very shallow and fickle turn and it reads and has the feel of a gaggle of griz bandwagoners...

if only the posters on this board had as little tolerance for the leaders of our government...who...in my opinion...are quilty of much more grievous crimes than loosing a football game...or three...i think a lot of people are taking themselves a far too seriously...

for those of you who don't remember don read was barely a .500 coach when he arrived at missoula...

[SkinCat]

Unfortunately Kramer hasn't just arrived at MSU.

1st and Goal from the 3. Pass! Pass! Pass! Pass! Lose!

[couloir41]

i see you dodged the real issue...typical...

[SkinCat]

The real issue is Kramerheads inability to continually inspire our teams play on the field. our recent teams have had the ability to make runs in the playoffs. Unfortunately the mental toughness that is required of championship teams has and will continue to elude us until a head coach that can get us to the next level shows up. When a team speaks of reloading it doesn't necessarily mean just the players.

[bobcatgrad2005]

Frankly, I am embarrased by how this chat board has reacted to a 3 game loosing streak. All of these years I have been proud to be a 'Cats fan because I thought we displayed more class. Its a rude awakening, all idealism aside. Some posters would like to fire a coach who has brought the excitement back to Bobcat football. I am ashamed to be a part of this online community right now.

[Hell's Bells]

Frankly, I am embarrased by how this chat board has reacted to a 3 game loosing streak. All of these years I have been proud to be a 'Cats fan because I thought we displayed more class. Its a rude awakening, all idealism aside. Some posters would like to fire a coach who has brought the excitement back to Bobcat football. I am ashamed to be a part of this online community right now.

Good Post. I think that it is just the bandwagon fans venting

[Helcat72]

I know this post may surprise many after the last three home games. I was also disappointed after yesterday's game. I was impressed with the loyalties of the MSU students, and Cat fans, who showed up one more time to watch our team get on track. I hope we continue to show up.

The talk of the tailgate was that "it is time for a change"...."Perhaps Van Diest should buy a house now while rates are good". It is very easy to join this party.....and it is a party of loyal Cat fans/boosters.

But....how can we loyal boosters/fans overlook that Kramer has won 3 of the last 4 Big Sky titles, filled the house, given us a reason for this forum, and by the way, broken the Grizzly streak?

He is also coaching without Force, Smith, Davis, Matakis, Barnhart, Groves, (now Pap), a healthy Epi...and he has a first year QB, that really had no chance to show himself in the shadow of Lulay.

Kramer did not hype this team. I think he was aware of the challenges we would face.

The guy is a good "head coach" and a good man. What is the guy to do when our fickle fans are ready to run him out of town the first time our team struggles? While the same bunch of us are complaining about some of his recruits...What is the guy to do?

I propose we show Kramer our loyal support, as he has given us a reason to hope. Lets give the guy some credit that he can make the proper adjustments recruiting and or with his coaching staff to get the train back on track.

Remember those Grizzly fans we made fun of the first time they cried wolf with that so-called idiot Hauck? Well, those fickle fans and that idiot Hauck got to enjoy a crushing victory over Sac State yesterday.

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

I have not accepted losing....I am an optimist. While we lost yesterday, a bad day at Bobcat Stadium with my son, is much better than a good day at work. It was not always so...Kramer gets some credit for creating this energy. I give him the credit that we will be back on track soon.

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Count me on the side of patience with KRAMER

[CATFAN4LIFE]

I know this post may surprise many after the last three home games. I was also disappointed after yesterday's game. I was impressed with the loyalties of the MSU students, and Cat fans, who showed up one more time to watch our team get on track. I hope we continue to show up.

The talk of the tailgate was that "it is time for a change"...."Perhaps Van Diest should buy a house now while rates are good". It is very easy to join this party.....and it is a party of loyal Cat fans/boosters.

But....how can we loyal boosters/fans overlook that Kramer has won 3 of the last 4 Big Sky titles, filled the house, given us a reason for this forum, and by the way, broken the Grizzly streak?

He is also coaching without Force, Smith, Davis, Matakis, Barnhart, Groves, (now Pap), a healthy Epi...and he has a first year QB, that really had no chance to show himself in the shadow of Lulay.

Kramer did not hype this team. I think he was aware of the challenges we would face.

The guy is a good "head coach" and a good man. What is the guy to do when our fickle fans are ready to run him out of town the first time our team struggles? While the same bunch of us are complaining about some of his recruits...What is the guy to do?

I propose we show Kramer our loyal support, as he has given us a reason to hope. Lets give the guy some credit that he can make the proper adjustments recruiting and or with his coaching staff to get the train back on track.

Remember those Grizzly fans we made fun of the first time they cried wolf with that so-called idiot Hauck? Well, those fickle fans and that idiot Hauck got to enjoy a crushing victory over Sac State yesterday.

I propose we withhold judgement on our team's leader until the year is over...we still have a lot of young players...that need to learn how to play. I think we are better off as a program if we get over this "fire the coach" mentality each year.

I have not accepted losing....I am an optimist. While we lost yesterday, a bad day at Bobcat Stadium with my son, is much better than a good day at work. It was not always so...Kramer gets some credit for creating this energy. I give him the credit that we will be back on track soon.

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Count me on the side of patience with KRAMER

Count me in too!!!!!

[BozCatFan]

I don't think that being a Bozeman native, MSU graduate, and fan for life makes me a bandwagon fan just because I am demanding a dominating program.

I will always root for the CATS and want them to have a coach who gives them the BEST chance of kicking ass.

[tampa_griz]

Frankly, I am embarrased by how this chat board has reacted to a 3 game loosing streak. All of these years I have been proud to be a 'Cats fan because I thought we displayed more class. Its a rude awakening, all idealism aside. Some posters would like to fire a coach who has brought the excitement back to Bobcat football. I am ashamed to be a part of this online community right now.

I agree. Kramer has done a lot for the Cats. I've always been a fan of his poise and his class. I know it takes more than that to win football games but it definitely counts. Wasn't Kramer BSC Coach Of The Year last year? ?

And I think I recognized some improvement in yesterday's game no? No, he didn't get the win. But I couldn't see (well...couldn't hear I guess) any signs of giving up as I listened to the game. That's what good coaches do. If the rest of the season continues this way for the Cats then maybe I can rationlize questions to be raised about the coaching ability. But I'd at least wait for the whole season to wrap up first.

[G.W.Bush]

But I couldn't see (well...couldn't hear I guess) any signs of giving up as I listened to the game. That's what good coaches do.

With 6 minutes left the Cats had the ball and were down by 9 pts (two scores). We were still going into a huddle and using the entire play clock to snap the ball. There was no hurry-up offense called, it was terrible time management. The offense was playing to end the game, not win the game.

[crazycat]

But I couldn't see (well...couldn't hear I guess) any signs of giving up as I listened to the game. That's what good coaches do.

With 6 minutes left the Cats had the ball and were down by 9 pts (two scores). We were still going into a huddle and using the entire play clock to snap the ball. There was no hurry-up offense called, it was terrible time management. The offense was playing to end the game, not win the game.

I agree with you G.W. Bush! That was poor. But I don't understand what good it does to talk about canning (or keeping) Kramer at this point. I don't think Kramer is a bad coach, but he's having a bad year, because this team has talent and it's up to the coaches to utilize it. He's going to be here at least until the end of the year.

Who do you want as a coach, if Kramer is fired? Van Diest? (Can he recruit?) Samson? (He's Petrino's bro-in-law) Anyone currently on staff? (Lulay!!!??) Any hot assistant coaches out there?

How about feeling bad for Kramer? He was a shoo-in for the Idaho job, but Dennis Erickson comes in out of no where and steals it away. His def. coordinator bails, so did another coach (can't remember who?), his school is rocked by a gangster-style murder involving a former player, another former player beats his girlfriend severly. You think that doesn't take it's toll? Injuries to Groves, Barnhart, Lewis, Matakis, Force, Papich, King.

[couloir41]

crzcat...you rationale is way too simple and you're making too much sense for most of these folks to understand...

[Cat_gld]

Hiring football coaches at this place has been somewhat of crapshoot. The one we've got now is the best we've had here for some time. Since Sonny Holland coached here, how many of his successors have had 4 back to back winning season? As some insist, Travis Lulay is the reason for Kramer's success....what a cop out. Who recruited Travis Lulay and his supporting cast? Who made the decision to insert a true freshman into a struggling offense at mid season.....a decison that turned a sure disaster into a stunning success.

Remember what happened the last time MSU replaced a coach with a coach from a very successful D-II program? How about the ex-Bobcat that replaced him....with all the attendant boasting? What's the answer if Van Diest couldn't get it done here......that's assuming he's even consider comming here?

For the first time in about 3 decades, I believe we actually have some adult supervision in the AD's office. I do have confidence in this guy, so. I'll respect any action he might take at the end of the season.

[Cat Grad]

This Bobcat organization needs Coach Jerry Kramer. We need Coach and the kids he acts as a father figure will understand before this year is over and they're watching the films and when and where all the flags get thrown over the course of a game and season what it feels like to know that in order to score more points than the opposition (whoever it may be) they have to be at least five times better in all aspects and many times ten times better than who they compete with in life. As this season unfolds it may be hard for the kids to understand but the resolve and determination they will approach their life's work will ultimately manifest itself in the Bobcat work ethic--probably someplace other than Montana unfortunately. Most of us who are Bobcats fully understand that were this a baseball game, we walk up to the plate with two strikes against us and all we know is how to come back from adversity. That's why the 76 Cat team will always be the foundation for the Cardiac Cats. We don't need a "Fire the Coach" mentality poisoning our school, the school that feeds prospective athletes hamburgers and french fries knowing they're glad to have them. Let the damn spoiled rotten lawyer kids go down the road.