Tour de France Winner Landis tests positive

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:43 am

Uh oh

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/tdf2006/n ... id=2531225

RyeCat · Post by **RyeCat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:12 pm

I really, really hope this will be cleared up.

RyeCat · Post by **RyeCat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:18 pm

Obviously, being a middle-aged barely in shape mom, I know little to nothing about doping. What I wonder is why would one day's urine sample show effects of doping, but not any other day's samples? I wouldn't think you would get much benefit from doping one day and not the days before that. Also, would it leave your system that fast?

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:40 pm

RyeCat wrote:Obviously, being a middle-aged barely in shape mom, I know little to nothing about doping. What I wonder is why would one day's urine sample show effects of doping, but not any other day's samples? I wouldn't think you would get much benefit from doping one day and not the days before that. Also, would it leave your system that fast?

The only benefit he would get "short" term (if he injected during the tour) would be to minimize the pain he was having. However, there are "approved" ways to accomplish that so it does not make sense. If he was doping it would stay in his system from weeks to up to 6 months depending on what he was taking. Most cyclist use drugs to increase there oxygen efficiency not steroids. The steroids would make them heavy (water gain) so this is a little weird.

RyeCat · Post by **RyeCat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:22 pm

Yes, I do understand the blood doping and I think that would be something you would have to do long term for it to be beneficial. It just seems weird that they would find elevated levels of testosterone one day and not the next?

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:48 pm

There are a lot of things that are a bit fishy about this whole thing...mainly that while Landis' testosterone/epitestosterone ratio was unusually high, his actual testosterone level was below normal.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:54 pm

MSU01 wrote:There are a lot of things that are a bit fishy about this whole thing...mainly that while Landis' testosterone/epitestosterone ratio was unusually high, his actual testosterone level was below normal.

Have you ridden a bicycle lately? A few years ago I rode my sons bike when he was in college................ Sheesh!

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:32 am

RyeCat wrote:Yes, I do understand the blood doping and I think that would be something you would have to do long term for it to be beneficial. It just seems weird that they would find elevated levels of testosterone one day and not the next?

Each day only the winner of the stage, the overall leader and two other randomly chosen riders get tested, so he doesn't really get tested evey day of the tour. I also heard that every time this type of positive test has been challenged the test has been overturned and the athlete cleared.

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:47 am

Just remember, this is the Tour OF FRANCE who has America envy when it comes to their race being won 8 years in a row by USA. Armstrong NEVER once tested positive for EPO or anything else, but was tried in the papers of public opinion. If you want to see how conspiracies get started, read a French paper.

Remember how Diana died and where and who was driving... it's all a little fishy to this cyclist.

Post by **kmax** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:17 am

Ponycat wrote:
RyeCat wrote:Yes, I do understand the blood doping and I think that would be something you would have to do long term for it to be beneficial. It just seems weird that they would find elevated levels of testosterone one day and not the next?
Each day only the winner of the stage, the overall leader and two other randomly chosen riders get tested, so he doesn't really get tested evey day of the tour. I also heard that every time this type of positive test has been challenged the test has been overturned and the athlete cleared.

Landis had the Yellow Jersey for almost half the tour, and he won at least one stage so if this is the case then he had many tests throughout the tour. I'm tending toward catsrback76's conclusion as well.

borNred · Post by **borNred** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:04 pm

didn't he say that he can prove that he has "naturally high testosterone"?

RyeCat · Post by **RyeCat** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:27 am

He has hyperthyroidism and I would think that if your body is working over time producing other hormones, it wouldn't be unlikely that testosterone would be high, too.