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Referee Accountability

Post by Augustus » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:52 pm

Let's just take yesterday's game, for example. Bergen's "TD" on the corner was not a TD. The ball did not cross the plane. It was under his outside arm and his inside shoulder hit the pylon. It did not break the plane. Would they have eventually scored anyway? Probably, but who knows? It wasn't even looked at. An NDSU receiver made an identical approach to the corner and it was ruled not a TD.

57 minutes with zero penalties called against the gris (despite countless holdings and blocks in the back). That just doesn't happen, especially in a tough playoff game.

The completely BS offensive PI call on NDSU where he didn't even touch the defenders, AND, he/they were not even the intended receivers nor were they within 10 yards of the intended receiver.

The tackling of the intended receiver in the end zone on the last play was probably the most egregious, and...not called.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Without question, these referees had their fingers on the scale of this game, whether it was intentional or not. We have no idea how it would have turned out had it been called accurately, but I suspect that the outcome would have been different.

So where is the accountability? What happens to these guys (and now girls :roll: ) when they screw up so badly that it affects the outcome of a game? Something MUST be done to address this.

Again, I'm not saying that the outcome would necessarily have been different yesterday, but the game should be fair. When you lose fairly, that's OK. When you don't, it leaves a very bad taste, and someone should be held accountable. In a game such as football, it's likely never going to be perfect, but it should be one whole hell of a lot closer to perfect than it is.

Also, I think someone should check the bank accounts of the refs for yesterday and look for suspicious deposits. No, I'm not kidding.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by D-Wreck » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:24 pm

What does this have to do with Bobcat football?



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by BozoneCat » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:51 pm

I agree with the majority of your post, been calling for some semblance of accountability for years.

But, why the eye roll for female refs? Maybe we need more, the men seem incapable of doing the job well.


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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:01 pm

The refs aren’t biased, they’re just incompetent and have a difficult job.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by MSU01 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:08 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:01 pm
The refs aren’t biased, they’re just incompetent and have a difficult job.
And there's nobody better waiting in line to take their places.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by SparkCat » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:18 pm

I bet this thread doesn’t exist if the Cats swapped places with the Griz and win last night. Lots of threads and posters trying to solidify our ‘little brother’ status lately.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:20 pm

I agree about the offensive PI call against ndsu. That was terrible, but if you're gonna call it that tight then they have to call PI on the final play. If you're gonna let some contact go then you have to let that offensive PI go since there was extremely minimal contact on the pick play, if any.


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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:22 pm

SparkCat wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:18 pm
I bet this thread doesn’t exist if the Cats swapped places with the Griz and win last night. Lots of threads and posters trying to solidify our ‘little brother’ status lately.
You're welcome to not read the forum for a while if that would make you feel better.

And I disagree, if it was the Cats we'd still be talking about those key plays.


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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Griznationalist » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:29 pm

This thread reflects low self-esteem. Chin up. Bobcats will get better.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Augustus » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:30 pm

SparkCat wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:18 pm
I bet this thread doesn’t exist if the Cats swapped places with the Griz and win last night. Lots of threads and posters trying to solidify our ‘little brother’ status lately.
Just using last nights game as the latest glaring example of a yuge problem. It doesn't matter that it was the gris/NDSU or the Cats/Sac State or Notre Dame/Michigan. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. There is (or should be) accountability in every other line of work, yet these folks are just allowed to walk.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by MSU01 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:32 pm

Augustus wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:30 pm
SparkCat wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:18 pm
I bet this thread doesn’t exist if the Cats swapped places with the Griz and win last night. Lots of threads and posters trying to solidify our ‘little brother’ status lately.
Just using last nights game as the latest glaring example of a yuge problem. It doesn't matter that it was the gris/NDSU or the Cats/Sac State or Notre Dame/Michigan. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. There is (or should be) accountability in every other line of work, yet these folks are just allowed to walk.
Serious question, how does it get addressed? Where are the better refs that could be hired instead? Do we want a game where all penalty calls are reviewable and games take 5 hours to play?



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Augustus » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:35 pm

Griznationalist wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:29 pm
This thread reflects low self-esteem. Chin up. Bobcats will get better.
I get being happy your team "won" and moved on. We'd do the same, I'm sure.

But in all seriousness, no rational person can look at that game objectively and say that it was a fairly refereed. Had it been, the outcome may not have changed. We'll never know, but it should be fair...and it wasn't.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:40 pm

Griznationalist wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:29 pm
This thread reflects low self-esteem. Chin up. Bobcats will get better.
Why are you always here?


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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Augustus » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm

MSU01 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:32 pm
Serious question, how does it get addressed?
I don't know. I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Griznationalist » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:49 pm

Augustus wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:52 pm
Let's just take yesterday's game, for example. Bergen's "TD" on the corner was not a TD. The ball did not cross the plane. It was under his outside arm and his inside shoulder hit the pylon. It did not break the plane. Would they have eventually scored anyway? Probably, but who knows? It wasn't even looked at. An NDSU receiver made an identical approach to the corner and it was ruled not a TD.

57 minutes with zero penalties called against the gris (despite countless holdings and blocks in the back). That just doesn't happen, especially in a tough playoff game.

The completely BS offensive PI call on NDSU where he didn't even touch the defenders, AND, he/they were not even the intended receivers nor were they within 10 yards of the intended receiver.

The tackling of the intended receiver in the end zone on the last play was probably the most egregious, and...not called.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Without question, these referees had their fingers on the scale of this game, whether it was intentional or not. We have no idea how it would have turned out had it been called accurately, but I suspect that the outcome would have been different.

So where is the accountability? What happens to these guys (and now girls :roll: ) when they screw up so badly that it affects the outcome of a game? Something MUST be done to address this.

Again, I'm not saying that the outcome would necessarily have been different yesterday, but the game should be fair. When you lose fairly, that's OK. When you don't, it leaves a very bad taste, and someone should be held accountable. In a game such as football, it's likely never going to be perfect, but it should be one whole hell of a lot closer to perfect than it is.

Also, I think someone should check the bank accounts of the refs for yesterday and look for suspicious deposits. No, I'm not kidding.
On the failed 2-point effort by NDSU, 82 was masquerading as a blocker after the QB handed off the ball. 82 (TE) initiated contact with 8 (CB), 82 attempts to pull down 8 (offensive holding) and run through him, 8 keeps "clean hands" on 82 through play (within 5 yrds of line of scrimmage is legal), 82 loses balance - 8 disengaged - ball is thrown (in that order, which is important on the call).



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by MSU01 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:04 pm

Augustus wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:32 pm
Serious question, how does it get addressed?
I don't know. I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
So would I. But one thing I know for sure is that referee shortages are a huge problem at all levels of sports, so just firing the current refs isn't going to do anything to improve the situation. Perhaps you allow coaches to challenge penalty calls once or twice a game, but I don't really trust the replay officials to do any better of a job than the on field refs.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Griznationalist » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm

Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by BleedingBLue » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:16 pm

Augustus wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:32 pm
Serious question, how does it get addressed?
I don't know. I'd be happy to hear some suggestions.
Folks that are on forums complaining about the officiating (not trying to be rude here) picking up a whistle and becoming an official. Every sport has major shortages in officials. Football is hurting the most. The BSC can't suspend a crew because they have 1 back up crew most weeks and that crew would no longer have an off week. There's nobody out there ready to come up to the BSC because there are so few officials everywhere. It's impossible to even be considered for a DI officiating position unless you pay your own money to go to camps and be seen, or know the right people with ins.

Fans and lack of reasonable payment have turned people off to officiating. Varsity football in MT pays $75 a game, yet you are required to attend at least 6 study clubs throughout the year and test your rules knowledge every couple years until you test up to "Master" official. It's not a part time 2 1/2 month job. You have to know the rules inside and out, which means studying on your own time throughtout the year, attending clinics and camps. The typical varsity game requires you arrive to the field roughly 75-90 before game time to go through pre-game, get dressed etc. Officials have to be on the field 30 minutes before the game, and the game takes roughly 2 hours. On a good day you make $25/hr for a varsity game in your town. When a Billings crew travels to Miles City, the 4 guys who didn't drive get about $25 extra for travel. Driver gets the federal milage rate. You leave town at 345, and get home at 1130, and make $100.

The BSC pays $1550 a game, and officials are responsible for their own travel, hotel, and food out of that money. Depending on where an official lives, they net $600-$1000 for a game. They arrive at the field 3 - 3 1/2 hours early, walk the field, do a pregame test and watch warm-ups. They are required to review their game film after each game and maintain their rules knowledge the entire year.

Frontier Conference officials get $250 a game, flat fee. Doesn't matter how far you travel. $250 a game for college football! What a joke.

College football will never have great officiating, especially at the FCS level, unless offcicials are paid a wage comparable to a full time job, and/or more people pick up a whistle and help with the shortage.



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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by 91catAlum » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:24 pm

Griznationalist wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm
Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.
1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.


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Re: Referee Accountability

Post by Griznationalist » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:42 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:24 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:11 pm
Funny how the NDSU coaching staff and team members have no complaints about yesterday’s officiating, but Bobcat fans do. This “referee accountability” thread sounds like a Rudy Giuliani special.
1. Coaches and players are not allowed to discuss officiating publicly.

2. It isn't just Bobcat fans talking about the officiating. Nice try though.
What’s your evidence of unacceptable officiating in yesterday’s semi except for Bobcat fans complaining?



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