How do Cats stack up against Griz

[Cataholic]

Educate yourself. A number of key players are hurt on SDSU. Anybody who follows any of the FCS is aware. Troll.

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

That’s exactly what he’s saying but he’ll likely deny it. Not even sure why anyone responds to him. He’ll say SDSU shouldn’t drop off just because they lost their QB and they’ve always been bad and then turn around and act like EWU suddenly became a juggernaut when a RS freshman QB entered the game.

He’s the self-proclaimed greatest football mind to grace the earth because he played football in the early 1900s but has the worst takes I’ve ever seen…all slanted and distorted to fit whatever narrative he wants. I’m actually embarrassed for him.

This is exactly why he should keep posting! It shows how little he knows about football! You would think self awareness would kick in when many people actually know who the person is behind the “anonymous” account. What a tool.

This guy is so perplexing to me. He played football for Miles City High School back in the day. He's also native American. I played against Miles City Cowboys back in the day. I think it would have been easier to beat the Dallas Cowboys. He was obviously a great player in his day. Also being a native American that became so successful should give him cred. Then he went on to play football at Dartmouth. In those days Dartmouth was a legit top 25 team in major college football. He was most certainly a super achiever to be playing at that level in those days. He's ivy League educated with a law degree from Stanford I believe. This guy was definitely an over achiever for any time period. I want to like and respect him.
But damn, he must have been dropped on his head late in life. He is absolutely shameless in his grandiose bragging, name dropping and self promotion. He has no ties to grizzly athletics or the University of Montana outside of being a sponsor and jock sniffer. It's obvious he doesn't really understand how to break down and analyze defensive schemes by the stupid things he says, despite being a high level player from back in the day.
It's actually kind of scary to see what happens when you've invested so much of your life into something for nostalgia and cannot let go of your glory days and evolve. It's really quite pathetic and actually illustrates that this rivalry has been taken to far for some people.

Well said and completely agree. I did not know about his lack of connection to UM. I assumed he went to UM law. This does follow my personal experience though: The worst UM fans are the ones that didn’t attend the school!

[OldGriz]

O’Groske had 2 TD receptions and 125 yds receiving against the Cats. In his other four games, he had a total of only 2 TDs and about half the receiving yards on average. I already pointed out that most of Mason’s TD passes were against Montana State and Mercyhurst (despite him playing in five other games). What you guys don’t get is these injured SDSU players weren’t producing in other games anywhere close to what you saw the day they beat you. You only know what you saw and you are extrapolating from that to a faulty conclusion.

Like I said, go EDUCATE yourself. SDSU has a number of key people hurt on both sides of the ball. We all know you are trolling, but to discount SDSU as not being good back then is total nonsense. It makes you look like a complete moron. Did you get through law school without doing any studying/research?

And those coaches and writers polls that you are so enamored with had SDSU as the number 2 team for six weeks prior to all their injuries. So do those polls that you have relied on all year have it wrong?

Excuses, excuses. Still talking about a loss. LOL

Great analysis. You win many cases with that sterling retort? Wow! I guess the UM education is not that great.

You keep wanting to talk about Cat losses. You’ve bemoaned the Cat loss to SDSU ad nauseum with an unprovable narrative about how they were some kind of juggernaut when they beat the Cats. The fact is, some “key” SDSU players had career days in victories over Mercyhurst and MSU, but were otherwise mediocre before getting hurt. SDSU isn’t 3-4 (.429) in conference solely because of injuries. But whatever. Let’s pretend the Cats lost to Ohio State in week #2 if it will stop the tears.

Are you saying that SDSU still would've beaten MSU without Mason and O'Groske?
Are you saying SDSU would still be 3-4 in the MVFC even if those two were playing?

That’s exactly what he’s saying but he’ll likely deny it. Not even sure why anyone responds to him. He’ll say SDSU shouldn’t drop off just because they lost their QB and they’ve always been bad and then turn around and act like EWU suddenly became a juggernaut when a RS freshman QB entered the game.

He’s the self-proclaimed greatest football mind to grace the earth because he played football in the early 1900s but has the worst takes I’ve ever seen…all slanted and distorted to fit whatever narrative he wants. I’m actually embarrassed for him.

This is exactly why he should keep posting! It shows how little he knows about football! You would think self awareness would kick in when many people actually know who the person is behind the “anonymous” account. What a tool.

This guy is so perplexing to me. He played football for Miles City High School back in the day. He's also native American. I played against Miles City Cowboys back in the day. I think it would have been easier to beat the Dallas Cowboys. He was obviously a great player in his day. Also being a native American that became so successful should give him cred. Then he went on to play football at Dartmouth. In those days Dartmouth was a legit top 25 team in major college football. He was most certainly a super achiever to be playing at that level in those days. He's ivy League educated with a law degree from Stanford I believe. This guy was definitely an over achiever for any time period. I want to like and respect him.
But damn, he must have been dropped on his head late in life. He is absolutely shameless in his grandiose bragging, name dropping and self promotion. He has no ties to grizzly athletics or the University of Montana outside of being a sponsor and jock sniffer. It's obvious he doesn't really understand how to break down and analyze defensive schemes by the stupid things he says, despite being a high level player from back in the day.
It's actually kind of scary to see what happens when you've invested so much of your life into something for nostalgia and cannot let go of your glory days and evolve. It's really quite pathetic and actually illustrates that this rivalry has been taken to far for some people.

Well said and completely agree. I did not know about his lack of connection to UM. I assumed he went to UM law. This does follow my personal experience though: The worst UM fans are the ones that didn’t attend the school!

Simply amazing.

[GoldstoneCat]

This troll has had plenty to eat over here. I bet we won't hear much from him after big brother walks in and stomps their ass in front of 26,000 of their closest friends. The peace and quiet will be nice.

[OldGriz]

This troll has had plenty to eat over here. I bet we won't hear much from him after big brother walks in and stomps their ass in front of 26,000 of their closest friends. The peace and quiet will be nice.

Montana — 31

Cats — 21

[GoldstoneCat]

This troll has had plenty to eat over here. I bet we won't hear much from him after big brother walks in and stomps their ass in front of 26,000 of their closest friends. The peace and quiet will be nice.

Montana — 31

Cats — 21

[nanacat]

So what about coaches? We've talked about players, stats, common opponent score differentials, etc., but now compare staff. Not head coaches, but position coaches. Who are better and why?

[profisme]

This troll has had plenty to eat over here. I bet we won't hear much from him after big brother walks in and stomps their ass in front of 26,000 of their closest friends. The peace and quiet will be nice.

Montana — 31

Cats — 21

No chance the porous Griz defense holds the Cats to 21. Cats win the game. Griz are held under 28.

[OldGriz]

So what about coaches? We've talked about players, stats, common opponent score differentials, etc., but now compare staff. Not head coaches, but position coaches. Who are better and why?

The programs definitely have different demographics. The UM side of the rivalry has some former FBS guys who are on the tail end of their careers. Montana’s DC is 74 years old and was the DC for Cal, Arizona State, Stanford, Notre Dame, Washington, San Jose State, Colorado, and UNLV before taking Montana’s DC post. Montana’s OC is 61 years old and was the OC for Kentucky, Baylor, Boise State, Florida, and UTEP before taking Montana’s OC post.

[Bocephus]

So what about coaches? We've talked about players, stats, common opponent score differentials, etc., but now compare staff. Not head coaches, but position coaches. Who are better and why?

The programs definitely have different demographics. The UM side of the rivalry has some former FBS guys who are on the tail end of their careers. Montana’s DC is 74 years old and was the DC for Cal, Arizona State, Stanford, Notre Dame, Washington, San Jose State, Colorado, and UNLV before taking Montana’s DC post. Montana’s OC is 61 years old and was the OC for Kentucky, Baylor, Boise State, Florida, and UTEP before taking Montana’s OC post.

I think Sean Howe is probably one of the up and coming coaches in the league. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a power 5 coordinator one day.

[coloradocat]

So what about coaches? We've talked about players, stats, common opponent score differentials, etc., but now compare staff. Not head coaches, but position coaches. Who are better and why?

The programs definitely have different demographics. The UM side of the rivalry has some former FBS guys who are on the tail end of their careers. Montana’s DC is 74 years old and was the DC for Cal, Arizona State, Stanford, Notre Dame, Washington, San Jose State, Colorado, and UNLV before taking Montana’s DC post. Montana’s OC is 61 years old and was the OC for Kentucky, Baylor, Boise State, Florida, and UTEP before taking Montana’s OC post.

I think Sean Howe is probably one of the up and coming coaches in the league. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a power 5 coordinator one day.

That seems to be the difference between the coaches. Ours are up and coming while theirs are on the downslope of their careers and an FCS job is all they can get. With those two resumes listed, Missoula is taking what you can get, not where you actually want to be.

[PapaG]

@HookedOnGriz, will you please wrangle up Jack and lead him back to the Gris board?

He’s on one of those prolonged fixation episodes he gets where he just beats something to death while changing his arguments. OldManGris has lost his fastball.

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU: 31

UM: 17

[91catAlum]

um: 24

Lamson handles the environment: MSU 35
Lamson crumbles under the pressure: MSU 13

[PortlandCat90]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

[91catAlum]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

McKay in 2021. Tommy in 2023. Bleskin in 2014.

[CelticCat]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

It's a first start on the road in Cat/Griz, that narrative will always exist no matter who the QB is. He also looked a little unsettled against UC Davis, especially the first drive or two. But I think overall he's proven he is a gamer and I don't expect him to "crumble" but I think he is probably the most important piece on offense Saturday. He doesn't have to have a career day but he needs to have his typical 65-70% completion rate, 200 yards, maybe another 50-70 on the ground, 3 total touchdowns between rushing and passing, not take too many bad sacks, and not turn the ball over.

On the flip said, this will be Ah Yat's first start in a Cat/Griz game, but obviously he has a lot of experience being on the team for the last two, and it's at home.

[tetoncat]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

It's a first start on the road in Cat/Griz, that narrative will always exist no matter who the QB is. He also looked a little unsettled against UC Davis, especially the first drive or two. But I think overall he's proven he is a gamer and I don't expect him to "crumble" but I think he is probably the most important piece on offense Saturday. He doesn't have to have a career day but he needs to have his typical 65-70% completion rate, 200 yards, maybe another 50-70 on the ground, 3 total touchdowns between rushing and passing, not take too many bad sacks, and not turn the ball over.

On the flip said, this will be Ah Yat's first start in a Cat/Griz game, but obviously he has a lot of experience being on the team for the last two, and it's at home.

Lamson has had 2 games he looked shaky. Poly and UCD both I think had more personal meaning. But he played thru it, didn't, didn't big mistakes and led team to wins. He also handled Oregon well, getting hit quite a bit, but having a steady game.
While Ah Yat has been there he hasn't had pressure of being undefeated, expected to win, and possibly having to carry his team. If he gets hit a few times and fumbles or throws a pick early that pressure increases greatly.

[PortlandCat90]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

McKay in 2021. Tommy in 2023. Bleskin in 2014.

None of these guys are Lamson, which is my point. What has Lamson showed us that would lead anybody to believe anything other than he is going out there and leading this team to a W? Starting Saturday is why we brought him in.

Bleskin was our backup and starting his second game. Also had a shoulder injury and should not have been out there. McKay's troubles are well documented. Tommy was not a passer and had 0 completions for 0 yards in the first half if I remember correctly. We were also down 14-0 after 2 possessions.

[PortlandCat90]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

It's a first start on the road in Cat/Griz, that narrative will always exist no matter who the QB is. He also looked a little unsettled against UC Davis, especially the first drive or two. But I think overall he's proven he is a gamer and I don't expect him to "crumble" but I think he is probably the most important piece on offense Saturday. He doesn't have to have a career day but he needs to have his typical 65-70% completion rate, 200 yards, maybe another 50-70 on the ground, 3 total touchdowns between rushing and passing, not take too many bad sacks, and not turn the ball over.

On the flip said, this will be Ah Yat's first start in a Cat/Griz game, but obviously he has a lot of experience being on the team for the last two, and it's at home.

Lamson has had 2 games he looked shaky. Poly and UCD both I think had more personal meaning. But he played thru it, didn't, didn't big mistakes and led team to wins. He also handled Oregon well, getting hit quite a bit, but having a steady game.
While Ah Yat has been there he hasn't had pressure of being undefeated, expected to win, and possibly having to carry his team. If he gets hit a few times and fumbles or throws a pick early that pressure increases greatly.

Well said. Lamson stated both Cal games had major personal waves. I think having UC Davis game last week gave Sterbick and Vigen a perfect example of how to calm him down if he needs it.He even mentioned that he was a little too amped up in his interview.

I'm just a firm believer in positive vibes and attitude going into any challenging time. I think Lamson excels and we hammer them.

I agree with the Ah Yat statement. I think Bobby will try to get the ball out of his hands early, but he'll still get nailed a few times and hard enough to make him think about it.

[91catAlum]

Why is there a wave of "If Justin Lamson doesn't crumble under pressure...." thoughts amongst Cat fans? What one example do we have that the leader of our offense will succumb to pressure and not shine in this game?

McKay in 2021. Tommy in 2023. Bleskin in 2014.

None of these guys are Lamson, which is my point. What has Lamson showed us that would lead anybody to believe anything other than he is going out there and leading this team to a W? Starting Saturday is why we brought him in.

Bleskin was our backup and starting his second game. Also had a shoulder injury and should not have been out there. McKay's troubles are well documented. Tommy was not a passer and had 0 completions for 0 yards in the first half if I remember correctly. We were also down 14-0 after 2 possessions.

Yes there are reasons those guys had a rough day in missoula. But you asked for 1 example where the team leader didn't perform well, and I gave you 3.

Call it my own ptsd if you want, but I'm just saying there's always a chance our new QB has a tough day in that environment.