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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:15 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:03 am
aucat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
I have mixed feelings about this. As I recall, when we went to Frisco our band also had to raise a bunch of money to make the trip. I'm all about good sportsmanship and class, but I really think that each institution should be responsible for this sort of thing. On the other hand I know that musicians consider themelves as "brothers and sisters of music" so to speak. I personally have always enjoyed the "drumline competition" at the end of the Cat-Griz game here in Bozeman. Of course, we won't see that happen again.

But back to the sportsmanship and class, their guy Hauck has done a tremendous job over the years of poisoning this rivalry with his despicable classless comments and behavior that resemble the antics of a little child. I realize that MSU's enrollment is much higher, 16k vs. 10k, but then look at UM's athletic facilities. They have the billionaire industrialist Washington family to give them whatever they want. I wouldn't think he would blink at helping their band get to Frisco. I think the bottom line is it's simply musicians trying to help other musicians.
It would be different if our band took money out of their own budget to give charity to the griz band (I still wouldn't like it but the camaraderie would make sense) but this was just Waded being nice and/or thinking she could boost her/MSU's public profile, which by and large worked as intended. If MSU has any excess funds they should be going back to MSU students, not some unworthy outside cause.
The funds might be donated money or raised by the band.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by Common Cat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:16 pm

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How many gris band members will be entering the transfer portal? Any that the Spirit of the West would like to have? 😺
I’ve heard some rumors from the front line tubas. Might get a piccolo and add depth to percussion. Could be a coup!


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:18 pm

WalkOn79 wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:00 am
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Since the MSU Bookstore owns the um Bookstore, maybe that's where the $3,000 came from. Just returning some of the profits gained from the sales of gris gear resulting from their "exceptional" season.
Don’t think that’s true. MSU bookstore does own the M store in downtown Missoula though. BTW. Why don’t we have a downtown Bobcat store. Gear is kind of hard to find in this town.
The bookstore has a lot of MSU gear in Bozeman and so does Universal Athletics. You can also find quite a bit on the internet but I know it's nice to try on stuff first, so that isn't an option for everyone.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by coloradocat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:42 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:15 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:03 am
aucat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
I have mixed feelings about this. As I recall, when we went to Frisco our band also had to raise a bunch of money to make the trip. I'm all about good sportsmanship and class, but I really think that each institution should be responsible for this sort of thing. On the other hand I know that musicians consider themelves as "brothers and sisters of music" so to speak. I personally have always enjoyed the "drumline competition" at the end of the Cat-Griz game here in Bozeman. Of course, we won't see that happen again.

But back to the sportsmanship and class, their guy Hauck has done a tremendous job over the years of poisoning this rivalry with his despicable classless comments and behavior that resemble the antics of a little child. I realize that MSU's enrollment is much higher, 16k vs. 10k, but then look at UM's athletic facilities. They have the billionaire industrialist Washington family to give them whatever they want. I wouldn't think he would blink at helping their band get to Frisco. I think the bottom line is it's simply musicians trying to help other musicians.
It would be different if our band took money out of their own budget to give charity to the griz band (I still wouldn't like it but the camaraderie would make sense) but this was just Waded being nice and/or thinking she could boost her/MSU's public profile, which by and large worked as intended. If MSU has any excess funds they should be going back to MSU students, not some unworthy outside cause.
The funds might be donated money or raised by the band.
If it was raised by the band that would have been stated when the donation was made so that they get some of the goodwill.

Probably the same with donated funds although I don't see the point of someone donating money to MSU so that they can donate it to Missoula. The person giving the money can do their own publicity.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:22 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:42 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:15 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:03 am
aucat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
I have mixed feelings about this. As I recall, when we went to Frisco our band also had to raise a bunch of money to make the trip. I'm all about good sportsmanship and class, but I really think that each institution should be responsible for this sort of thing. On the other hand I know that musicians consider themelves as "brothers and sisters of music" so to speak. I personally have always enjoyed the "drumline competition" at the end of the Cat-Griz game here in Bozeman. Of course, we won't see that happen again.

But back to the sportsmanship and class, their guy Hauck has done a tremendous job over the years of poisoning this rivalry with his despicable classless comments and behavior that resemble the antics of a little child. I realize that MSU's enrollment is much higher, 16k vs. 10k, but then look at UM's athletic facilities. They have the billionaire industrialist Washington family to give them whatever they want. I wouldn't think he would blink at helping their band get to Frisco. I think the bottom line is it's simply musicians trying to help other musicians.
It would be different if our band took money out of their own budget to give charity to the griz band (I still wouldn't like it but the camaraderie would make sense) but this was just Waded being nice and/or thinking she could boost her/MSU's public profile, which by and large worked as intended. If MSU has any excess funds they should be going back to MSU students, not some unworthy outside cause.
The funds might be donated money or raised by the band.
If it was raised by the band that would have been stated when the donation was made so that they get some of the goodwill.

Probably the same with donated funds although I don't see the point of someone donating money to MSU so that they can donate it to Missoula. The person giving the money can do their own publicity.
Well, that's one way of thinking about it.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by coloradocat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:45 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:22 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:42 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:15 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:03 am
aucat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
I have mixed feelings about this. As I recall, when we went to Frisco our band also had to raise a bunch of money to make the trip. I'm all about good sportsmanship and class, but I really think that each institution should be responsible for this sort of thing. On the other hand I know that musicians consider themelves as "brothers and sisters of music" so to speak. I personally have always enjoyed the "drumline competition" at the end of the Cat-Griz game here in Bozeman. Of course, we won't see that happen again.

But back to the sportsmanship and class, their guy Hauck has done a tremendous job over the years of poisoning this rivalry with his despicable classless comments and behavior that resemble the antics of a little child. I realize that MSU's enrollment is much higher, 16k vs. 10k, but then look at UM's athletic facilities. They have the billionaire industrialist Washington family to give them whatever they want. I wouldn't think he would blink at helping their band get to Frisco. I think the bottom line is it's simply musicians trying to help other musicians.
It would be different if our band took money out of their own budget to give charity to the griz band (I still wouldn't like it but the camaraderie would make sense) but this was just Waded being nice and/or thinking she could boost her/MSU's public profile, which by and large worked as intended. If MSU has any excess funds they should be going back to MSU students, not some unworthy outside cause.
The funds might be donated money or raised by the band.
If it was raised by the band that would have been stated when the donation was made so that they get some of the goodwill.

Probably the same with donated funds although I don't see the point of someone donating money to MSU so that they can donate it to Missoula. The person giving the money can do their own publicity.
Well, that's one way of thinking about it.
What is your logical argument for the money coming from either of those sources without attribution? I'm not saying it's not possible but since this was essentially done for PR in the first place, why only let Waded (let's be honest, just about everything positive at MSU is attributed to her unless specifically about someone else) get the credit?


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by lutecat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm

Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by lutecat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:04 pm

I think it would be awesome if we got a guy here credentialed as media and asked BH some hard questions. It would only last one presser because he'd never call on you again. But oh it would be awesome!



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by 91catAlum » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm

lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:42 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:45 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:22 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:42 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:15 pm
coloradocat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:03 am
aucat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:52 am
I have mixed feelings about this. As I recall, when we went to Frisco our band also had to raise a bunch of money to make the trip. I'm all about good sportsmanship and class, but I really think that each institution should be responsible for this sort of thing. On the other hand I know that musicians consider themelves as "brothers and sisters of music" so to speak. I personally have always enjoyed the "drumline competition" at the end of the Cat-Griz game here in Bozeman. Of course, we won't see that happen again.

But back to the sportsmanship and class, their guy Hauck has done a tremendous job over the years of poisoning this rivalry with his despicable classless comments and behavior that resemble the antics of a little child. I realize that MSU's enrollment is much higher, 16k vs. 10k, but then look at UM's athletic facilities. They have the billionaire industrialist Washington family to give them whatever they want. I wouldn't think he would blink at helping their band get to Frisco. I think the bottom line is it's simply musicians trying to help other musicians.
It would be different if our band took money out of their own budget to give charity to the griz band (I still wouldn't like it but the camaraderie would make sense) but this was just Waded being nice and/or thinking she could boost her/MSU's public profile, which by and large worked as intended. If MSU has any excess funds they should be going back to MSU students, not some unworthy outside cause.
The funds might be donated money or raised by the band.
If it was raised by the band that would have been stated when the donation was made so that they get some of the goodwill.

Probably the same with donated funds although I don't see the point of someone donating money to MSU so that they can donate it to Missoula. The person giving the money can do their own publicity.
Well, that's one way of thinking about it.
What is your logical argument for the money coming from either of those sources without attribution? I'm not saying it's not possible but since this was essentially done for PR in the first place, why only let Waded (let's be honest, just about everything positive at MSU is attributed to her unless specifically about someone else) get the credit?
Well, it's pretty tough to give credit to an individual persons donation to the band. Right? I mean, donations are put into a pot of money, so you can't say it was Bob's donation that went from MSU to um and give Bob credit for it. The donation could have come from the bands donated money fund. I don't think the band could really donate appropriated (state money) money from the university to um. I'm not up on the legalities of that stuff, but it would seem to be sketchy. The money could be from a pot of donated money or money that the band raised from some other means. Does the band get any of the 50/50 money that is raised at the games? Do they have events to raise money? I can see that sort of money being donated more freely than any other source.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by Griznationalist » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm

Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:59 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.
I find that most of those type of guys don't bother to donate. They just want to complain about something.


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by Griznationalist » Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:02 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:59 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.
I find that most of those type of guys don't bother to donate. They just want to complain about something.
I agree with AFCAT, BelligerentBobcat, and lutecat.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by Joe Bobcat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
Lute it would seem you totally missed what I said. I had far greater issue with what he didn't say than with what he did say. In fact I didn't even say whether I agreed or disagreed with his opinion about other posts but again, that simply saying thank you was far greater, better and more important than labeling other posters as butt hurt.
I closely agree with 91catAlum.


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Post by GRIZFNZ » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:25 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:59 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.
I find that most of those type of guys don't bother to donate. They just want to complain about something.
Some of us donate anonymously or in honor/memory of others and don’t require a press release to pat ourselves on the back for being generous.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by AFCAT » Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:31 pm

GRIZFNZ wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:25 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:59 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.
I find that most of those type of guys don't bother to donate. They just want to complain about something.
Some of us donate anonymously or in honor/memory of others and don’t require a press release to pat ourselves on the back for being generous.
So, you are a complaining about MSU donating publically and you are donating anonymously then? How noble of you. I’m glad that we know that you donated anonymously. How do you feel about all those public donations to um made in the name of a certain Montana Billionaire? What’s the name of your football stadium?


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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by Griznationalist » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:06 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:31 pm
GRIZFNZ wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 5:25 pm
AFCAT wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:59 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:54 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:47 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
The two sides to it are generosity and pettiness. MSU did a neat, generous thing that the vast majority of Bobcat fans on social media are praising (check the Facebook comments on the various news story posts). How can you seriously criticize your university for this demonstration of good will? I guess I don’t care about the answer because it’s only a few butt hurt who are grumbling. Thanks, MSU.
On the flip side, seems like there’s a decent amount of UM fans that can’t graciously accept the donation either.

Looking at guy Brint, and what looks like most of eGriz.
I find that most of those type of guys don't bother to donate. They just want to complain about something.
Some of us donate anonymously or in honor/memory of others and don’t require a press release to pat ourselves on the back for being generous.
So, you are a complaining about MSU donating publically and you are donating anonymously then? How noble of you. I’m glad that we know that you donated anonymously. How do you feel about all those public donations to um made in the name of a certain Montana Billionaire? What’s the name of your football stadium?
Billionaires and near-billionaires have their names all over the buildings and the programs of both schools. Too bad none of them were generous enough to give anonymously. Oh well. Many people who give like to be recognized for their generosity. I guess that’s better than not giving at all.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by lutecat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:37 pm

Joe Bobcat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 4:30 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
Lute it would seem you totally missed what I said. I had far greater issue with what he didn't say than with what he did say. In fact I didn't even say whether I agreed or disagreed with his opinion about other posts but again, that simply saying thank you was far greater, better and more important than labeling other posters as butt hurt.
I closely agree with 91catAlum.
Well then I take issue with everything you didn't say. Big big issues. You didn’t say you anything about being illegal to kill people. So I take take issue with what you didn't say. You didn't say it's wrong to kick dogs. So I take issue with that.

So admittedly I'm 3, 10% beers in because it's Christmas. So don't take anything I say as a slight. Though by your logic theres ot i dkdnt say sl you may take all the things i didnt say as a slight.

But you didn't say alot so therfore I take issue with everything you did not say.



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Re: MSU helps griz band fundraising

Post by lutecat » Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:41 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 2:26 pm
lutecat wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2023 1:48 pm
Joe Bobcat wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:07 pm
Griznationalist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:59 pm
This is a class act by an excellent university. The MSU announcement says MSU is proud to contribute. I don’t think the butt hurt guys who posted negative, inaccurate comments above are representative of Bobcat Nation.
It is a classy excellent thing for a proud MSU to do. After pointing that out you could've shown class and excellence by making a point of writing "Thank you" and let it be at that. Instead your head and thoughts were so focused on making a far less important point that you forgot to do the greater thing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it shows your lack of training rather than tell you the other things it shows about you.
I have zero problems with what he wrote. Zero. He's right. The comments that were negative do not represent Bobcatnation by and large.

Total difference between supporting their football team and supporting their band.
Nobody is "right" about a subjective opinion. Just because you might agree with him doesn't mean he is right.

I don't have a big issue with giving them 3k because that really isn't very much in the grand scheme of what it will cost for travel, food, lodging for their entire band, and it is a solid PR move for MSU. I get it and I'm ok with it.
But the other side of the coin is that when people donate their money to MSU they presumably want it to be spent on MSU. If they wanted their money to goto um then they probably would've written them a check themselves.

Just something to consider, that there are 2 sides to it.
Oh no. There is a right and wrong. Subjective or not, my postion is right and correct. Subjectively I'm right. Subjectively whatever I say is always right. Subjectively I'm in a couple beers. So Subjectively my dad's dog thinks it's time for my dog to eat. UT he still has 20 minutes.



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