Yuppies in Bozeman?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:29 pm

CelticCat wrote:Because I know of people who carry around an empty cup of Starbucks just to be seen with it. It isn't so much for yuppies (though plenty drink there) as it is for people who wish they were rich enough to be considered a yuppy.

That's funny. There are people in the world who think that Starbucks is anything more exotic of prestigious than a chain coffee shop and are actually posing with empty cups for status? That's sad. GL had it right -- it's right up there with carrying around an empty McDonald's bag as a sign of having highbrow tastes in food.

Hello Kitty · Post by **Hello Kitty** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:34 pm

I feel compelled to reply on this topic because I noticed the same things Celtic cat and Topher are talking about. They are not talking about people who drive SUV's or drink at Starbucks but do these things plus many more that add up to a certain kind of people that live in Bozeman
-Drink everything out of Nalagine bottle
-Everything they own has a carabineer on it
- They say they rock climb and all other extreme outdoor sports
-If North Face made toilet paper they buy it
-They are not from Montana
-Have a Yakima on top of their vehicle year round
-They shop at the food co-op only
-They own many black labs that also wear North Face
-Must own many pairs of Dansko shoes
-Drive expensive rugged vehicles that are actually luxury (Audi range rover)
All those things start adding up into someone who drives you nuts.
People whom only care about tags and perceived value.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:35 pm

BozoneCat wrote:Yeah, but maybe Starbucks became successful because they make a damn good cup of coffee! My beef with them is their exhorbitant prices. I can't believe anyone would walk around with an empty Starbucks cup just to look "cool," that is saddeningly funny. I think that makes them more of a "tool" rather than "cool." Personally, I always go everywhere with my own coffee cup - keeps my drinks warmer and reduces waste.

I think what grizlaw was asking is whether there is any difference between getting your coffee at Starbucks vs. at Rocky Mountain Roasting or Leaf and Bean? I think it is stupid to worry about where people like to hang out or like to buy their coffee. Who cares? There are so many things to worry about in your own life, why bother worrying about how others are living theirs?

Don't get on me, this entire thread is about how other people live their lives. I just added to the conversation, I didn't start it. Everyone else was naming "characteristics" of yuppies, but when I say they drink at Starbucks I went too far or something?

There is a difference between drinking locally and Starbucks. It's called culture. You drink at Starbucks for the culture, and you probably drink locally for the culture. Unless you think one or the others coffee is leaps and bounds better than the other companies (Starbucks tastes awfully bitter to me), you go somewhere for the image. If people just wanted coffee they wouldn't spend hours in coffee shops when they finished their coffee in 5 minutes. Face it coffree drinking is very trendy nowadays. You can tell a lot about a person by the coffee they drink and where they drink it at.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:44 pm

No offense meant, Celtic, I was just using the Starbucks example because it was the latest thing brought up. Personally, I just think it is very offensive to label people in the way some people in this thread have done. Does it really matter if someone drinks out of a Nalgene bottle, wears NorthFace clothing, have a black Lab, or drive an SUV? If these things bother you, then I am sorry for you. None of these things does anything to infringe on me, so I could care less.

I tend to notice that most of the people doing the labeling in this thread are native Montanans who have probably never lived anywhere out of the state. I think people need to get out a bit and experience different cultures. I hope that these are not the attitudes people get when they move here from out of state, but sadly I have a suspicion that they are. Maybe when Montanans begin to realize that they can actually learn from outsiders, our state will move out of the twentieth century, economically as well as socially.

Hello Kitty · Post by **Hello Kitty** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:50 pm

BozoneCat wrote:No offense meant, Celtic, I was just using the Starbucks example because it was the latest thing brought up. Personally, I just think it is very offensive to label people in the way some people in this thread have done. Does it really matter if someone drinks out of a Nalgene bottle, wears NorthFace clothing, have a black Lab, or drive an SUV? If these things bother you, then I am sorry for you. None of these things does anything to infringe on me, so I could care less.

I tend to notice that most of the people doing the labeling in this thread are native Montanans who have probably never lived anywhere out of the state. I think people need to get out a bit and experience different cultures. I hope that these are not the attitudes people get when they move here from out of state, but sadly I have a suspicion that they are. Maybe when Montanans begin to realize that they can actually learn from outsiders, our state will move out of the twentieth century, economically as well as socially.

I think it is naive that you think I have never lived out of state or experienced other cultures

Others people prerogative is not infringing on my way of life I was just pointing out a certain sub culture that lives in Bozeman. Just as you are pointing out that some Montana posters are close minded and unwilling to learn from other cultures, right?

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:05 pm

Anyone else ever look back at pictures and realize you have been an a$$hole your whole life? I look back at old pictures and the main thing that comes to mind is cut your fu$%ing hair. And those clothes, ugh.

Every decade I realize what a dork I am (with the help of VH1's I love the 70's, 80's and 90's). The funny thing is I keep thinking I had it figured out, only to realize later I'm still a dork.

Can't wait for 10 years from now to realize what a dork I am now because I own a SUV, and some other reasons listed. And I thought I was doing good by driving a Ford instead of a Subaru

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:09 pm

grizbeer wrote:Anyone else ever look back at pictures and realize you have been an a$$hole your whole life? I look back at old pictures and the main thing that comes to mind is cut your fu$%ing hair. And those clothes, ugh.

Every decade I realize what a dork I am (with the help of VH1's I love the 70's, 80's and 90's). The funny thing is I keep thinking I had it figured out, only to realize later I'm still a dork.

Can't wait for 10 years from now to realize what a dork I am now because I own a SUV, and some other reasons listed. And I thought I was doing good by driving a Ford instead of a Subaru

no that just means you fear getting rear ended...

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:11 pm

Labelling is what society is all about. It's implanted in our heads when we are little, that everyone has and needs a label. People need to characterize others, if only for their own benefit. The problem is people don't take the time to characterize themselves, thinking they are the normal ones.

Face it, a lot of labels are true and represent a majority of people in said label. If I were to say that Montanans like to hunt, fish, camp, would you be opposed to that?

Labelling isn't the real issue (though it is one) - perception of the labelling is, however. If I said all yuppies drive SUVs own black labs and buy NorthFace, would that be offensive? Should it be? Just because I said yuppies drink at Starbucks doesn't mean I think yuppies are bad people, or that anyone who drinks there is unbalanced. Classification isn't as big of an issue as toleranc and acceptance.

If any of you guys ever met me, you would find me to be one of the most tolerant persons you will ever meet. I could care less if a guy drives a Harley, takes ballet, owns a global chain of car dealerships and has a gay lover. The only thing I care about is what kind of person he is. But that doesn't mean I am naive enough to think everyone in the world thinks the same way I do.

And I love the Montana culture. It gets more and more diluted every year. I didn't say it gets worse every year. I just don't want the world to be one big culture. I don't want to go to the South have have it be a carbon copy of Montana. I'm a proponent of unique culture and lifestyles, because I don't want everything to be the same. Thus my resistance of Starbucks. Not because of the people at Starbucks, but because I don't want Bozeman to be a blueprint of NYC, or LA, or Cleveland, or any other town in the world. I don't think those places are any better or worse than Montana, but I feel more comfortable here than I did when I lived in Phoenix.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:11 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
grizbeer wrote:Anyone else ever look back at pictures and realize you have been an a$$hole your whole life? I look back at old pictures and the main thing that comes to mind is cut your fu$%ing hair. And those clothes, ugh.

Every decade I realize what a dork I am (with the help of VH1's I love the 70's, 80's and 90's). The funny thing is I keep thinking I had it figured out, only to realize later I'm still a dork.

Can't wait for 10 years from now to realize what a dork I am now because I own a SUV, and some other reasons listed. And I thought I was doing good by driving a Ford instead of a Subaru
no that just means you fear getting rear ended...

I really don't want to be rear-ended, but it has nothing to do with driving a Ford.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:12 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:
go_catz! wrote:My, how I wish that I was as great of a person as some of you people obviously are. Its good to know that there are people living in Montana that know exactly what everyone should drive and wear.

Who the hell is one person to label another person by the coat they're wearing or vehicle that they're driving? Give me a break.

If a "yuppy" is a person wearing brand name clothing, what do you call people who wear the same clothing, but duct tape over the logo because they're too afraid of what people think about them?

Why would anyone be bothered at all by other people's possessions unless they're jealous??
i agree. after reading more of these posts, this thread is garbage. i didn't know what a yuppy was, but apparently it's me. i work my ass of for my family and myself to have nice things. some are brand name things because i believe in quality. this thread is just a little too stereotypical for me. all i learned is that if you wear expensive clothes, drive a durango, like to ski, and go to other bars in town besides the crystal, scoop and molly, you are a "yuppy." sorry, but this is lame and offensive.

I don't know many people who would consider a Durango a yuppiemobile

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:26 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
catsrback76 wrote:GL -- YOU ARE A YUPPIE just because you live in NY!!! Own it. I however am a ORK!
*shrug* I'm ok with my yuppieness; I just don't see why it's a bad thing. Why is it that anyone who has achieved any modicum of financial success is presumed to be a "douchebag?"

My definition of a yuppy - you drink at Starbucks.
This is slightly OT, but I find it kind of interesting. Why is drinking Starbucks considered a yuppie trait? Maybe it's just a difference of how Starbucks is perceived in Montana vs. on the east coast; out here, it is considered basically the McDonald's of coffee shop chains. Do you consider anyone who drinks coffee from any coffee shop to be a yuppie, or is there a reason you're singling out Starbucks?

Hey-- NOW that's over the top. The Starbucks comment was OUTTA LINE! We are just glad to be able to drink anything other than Cenex coffee.

Speaking of Yuppieness-- I'm fine with it too--except- that in Montana you cant be one. I'm lobbing for ORK--" Old RURAL Knockoff" and I'm printing up bumperstickers as we speak. Want to buy one? anybody?

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:59 pm

CelticCat wrote:Because I know of people who carry around an empty cup of Starbucks just to be seen with it. It isn't so much for yuppies (though plenty drink there) as it is for people who wish they were rich enough to be considered a yuppy.

Thanks for clarifying; that's really interesting (to me, anyway). I wasn't sure whether that was what you meant, or whether you meant that drinking coffee at any coffee shop is a yuppie thing (I can see that argument too, since getting coffee at a coffee shop instead of making it at home is something of a luxury in and of itself).

I guess it is just a difference in how Starbucks is perceived in MT vs. in bigger cities (or on the east coast, anyway). Back here, pretty much everyone drinks Starbucks, but it's definitely not a "status" thing. People drink it because the coffee is fairly good, and it's easy and convenient (like you said, there's a Starbucks on practically every block in Manhattan.

) It's definitely not seen here as a sign of wealth or sophistication. If there's any stigma attached to it at all, it's probably slightly negative -- the fact that a person is a regular at Starbucks just means that they don't know New York City well enough to know where the "better" coffee shops are.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:47 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Because I know of people who carry around an empty cup of Starbucks just to be seen with it. It isn't so much for yuppies (though plenty drink there) as it is for people who wish they were rich enough to be considered a yuppy.

Thanks for clarifying; that's really interesting (to me, anyway). I wasn't sure whether that was what you meant, or whether you meant that drinking coffee at any coffee shop is a yuppie thing (I can see that argument too, since getting coffee at a coffee shop instead of making it at home is something of a luxury in and of itself).

I guess it is just a difference in how Starbucks is perceived in MT vs. in bigger cities (or on the east coast, anyway). Back here, pretty much everyone drinks Starbucks, but it's definitely not a "status" thing. People drink it because the coffee is fairly good, and it's easy and convenient (like you said, there's a Starbucks on practically every block in Manhattan. ) It's definitely not seen here as a sign of wealth or sophistication. If there's any stigma attached to it at all, it's probably slightly negative -- the fact that a person is a regular at Starbucks just means that they don't know New York City well enough to know where the "better" coffee shops are.

Where is Wolfman to ask if you use esugar in your Starbucks?

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:49 pm

When I started this I kinda had the college scene in mind and I tend to forget that a lot of people on here are alumni. I don't really hang all that much with the out of college croud in Bozo, and your right I think I got a little out of hand on this. It was more a we get teased for being hippies so TAKE THAT sort of thing, and now it has waged some animosity. I have no problem with people who work hard for the things that they have, but I see a lot of KIDS that don't fit this bill. AGAIN, go back to the original post. You guys are getting offended by the Yuppie thing, ok now try being one of MANY conservatives living in Missoula and constantly having to listen to "hippie this, or hippie that!" The same problem we are having defining Hippie doubles for Yuppie. It was smack talk on a SMACK TALK BOARD. If you really are all that offended I think you have issues. Seriously, "Carl, this little punk on Bobcat Nation stereotyped me as a Yuppie!, that little hippie b@stard!" So on that note drink your lattes, enjoy your SUV's, build that trophy home, buy the latest gadget or gizmo before the neighbors got it, and sport your fancy ski jacket like it's going out of style (because it might just be)" Lets all let this mother die....

Peace out man...(if you didn't get that I am going to hit you with a shovel)

UMclassof2002 · Post by **UMclassof2002** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:55 pm

It's all good, there are certain groups of people that I don't like either. One of those groups I would roughly call "my family". I don't hate all of them - the immediate family is cool. They've been around me enough that they "get it" when it comes to me. I am a mouthy prick with a heart of gold who also happens to be the funniest motherf-er you will ever meet. And they don't judge me for refusing to settle down with one woman. After all, like any stud athlete, I like to get out and socialize, or at least my dick does.

But my non-immediate family sucks. So I know what you mean.

anacondagriz · Post by **anacondagriz** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:40 pm

Hello Kitty wrote:I feel compelled to reply on this topic because I noticed the same things Celtic cat and Topher are talking about. They are not talking about people who drive SUV's or drink at Starbucks but do these things plus many more that add up to a certain kind of people that live in Bozeman
-Drink everything out of Nalagine bottle
-Everything they own has a carabineer on it
- They say they rock climb and all other extreme outdoor sports
-If North Face made toilet paper they buy it
-They are not from Montana
-Have a Yakima on top of their vehicle year round
-They shop at the food co-op only
-They own many black labs that also wear North Face
-Must own many pairs of Dansko shoes
-Drive expensive rugged vehicles that are actually luxury (Audi range rover)
All those things start adding up into someone who drives you nuts.
People whom only care about tags and perceived value.

This is funny because if you asked me to describe the typical Missoulian I could not come up w/a better list than yours.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:43 pm

Hello Kitty wrote:I feel compelled to reply on this topic because I noticed the same things Celtic cat and Topher are talking about. They are not talking about people who drive SUV's or drink at Starbucks but do these things plus many more that add up to a certain kind of people that live in Bozeman
-Drink everything out of Nalagine bottle
-Everything they own has a carabineer on it
- They say they rock climb and all other extreme outdoor sports
-If North Face made toilet paper they buy it
-They are not from Montana
-Have a Yakima on top of their vehicle year round
-They shop at the food co-op only
-They own many black labs that also wear North Face
-Must own many pairs of Dansko shoes
-Drive expensive rugged vehicles that are actually luxury (Audi range rover)
All those things start adding up into someone who drives you nuts.
People whom only care about tags and perceived value.

well you must be a yuppy 'cause i have no idea what the hell half those things that you are talking about even are! jk.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:46 pm

DIE THREAD

DIE DIE

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:47 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
go_catz! wrote:My, how I wish that I was as great of a person as some of you people obviously are. Its good to know that there are people living in Montana that know exactly what everyone should drive and wear.

Who the hell is one person to label another person by the coat they're wearing or vehicle that they're driving? Give me a break.

If a "yuppy" is a person wearing brand name clothing, what do you call people who wear the same clothing, but duct tape over the logo because they're too afraid of what people think about them?

Why would anyone be bothered at all by other people's possessions unless they're jealous??
i agree. after reading more of these posts, this thread is garbage. i didn't know what a yuppy was, but apparently it's me. i work my ass of for my family and myself to have nice things. some are brand name things because i believe in quality. this thread is just a little too stereotypical for me. all i learned is that if you wear expensive clothes, drive a durango, like to ski, and go to other bars in town besides the crystal, scoop and molly, you are a "yuppy." sorry, but this is lame and offensive.
I don't know many people who would consider a Durango a yuppiemobile

isnt it an suv? man...i am lost in this thread!

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:01 pm

I guess that from the sounds of all this, we should throw our Nalgene bottles away if we own one, boycott Starbucks at all costs as well as any other big name establishment, burn our North Face jackets, take off our ski racks now regardless if we use them for their intended purpose, and fault everyone who doesn't do any of this.

Let's just all become non-conforming conformists ok? That would make us all the same too right?