OldGriz wrote: ↑Sat Nov 15, 2025 8:27 pm
The whole “point differential with common opponents” thing is as reliable as the flip of a coin for predictive purposes. But I still can’t believe SDSU beat the Cats. SDSU lost to a team (Indiana State) in Brookings who Montana clobbered 63-20.
I posted an actual assessment of the griz... no numbers eye ball test.... let's talk football x' and o's...... what does the griz do better than msu? I'll go position by position... and which one is better... let's throw out numbers and let's talk scheme and players.....
Qb: ah Yat doesn't have a strong arm. On go balls under throws Wortham routinely. He is mobile and he makes good decisions. He's pretty accurate, can hit open guys in the chest but when it comes to threading the needle i don't see that kind of accuracy. Don't see down field touch either. Lamson is way more accurate, can thread the needle, had down field touch and had a bigger arm. Mobility I feel it's less than ah yat, but what he lacks in our mobility he makes up with in our grit......QB goes to MSU
RB: Gillan has a great frame. Doesn't have a lot of wiggle. Straight line speed is fairly avg but heel out run a lot of people. Runs hard. That's what makes him scary, every run is like his first run of the game, physical. Um had no real back up that is comparable to gillman. Msu has a two headed monster. Julius is having a better year in my eyes. Equally as physical as Gillman smaller frame. Neither have wiggle, speed is about the same for both players. Jones is the fastest of this group, also no real wiggle and is a touch less physical than the other two. What he lacks in physicality he makes up in pass catching and open space ability. We have two top notch ebs um has one....RB goes to msu
Ol: while msu ol hasn't been as great as previous years is better than um by a large margin. Um's ol didn't handle blocking lbs as the scrape well. There was no change in the los in run plays and in pass pro they got the back out quickly, whether fade ball or short routes, because they didn't handle the dl all that great. Msu hasn't been great in the run game but for whatever reason they are really doing stellar in the pass blocking game. They also for whatever reason when they HAVE to run the ball are able to.....OL goes to msu
Wr: um has worthman that's it. The rest are relatively slow acd create little to no separation. They rely on router Covid to get open and Wortham relies on being better than who's across from. If he isn't faster than then he's rendered ineffective. None run great routes, they get the ball out quickly based on coverage. Msu has taco, king, and woods. Taco comparatively is better than Wortham. Catches the ball cleaner, runs better routes, maybe a touch slower. King and woods are better than any other um wr. Both are faster, run better routes and are now able to create separation.....WR goes to msu
TE: There literally is no comparison at all. Every te we have is better than any te on the um roster... period the end.
Cb: again no comparison AT ALL. Your fastest cb isn't faster than our slowest cb. Tech is better. Aggressiveness is stronger. Ability to play zone AND man is far better than um.
S: again no comparison. There is no body on your roster the caliber of Dowler. Our safeties fill better and cover better, more athletic as well.
Dl: this is a lot closer than any other position. Um has nice DEs. Extremely fast. They only speed rush though. I do like that um plays have up front...twists, slants, drop des from time to time. Without the blitz though they get literally nothing from the inside, it's all de rush. Dts don't pass rush well but in the run game they eat up guard to guard almost like they are two gapping. Msu I think isn't as God given Tashkent wise better but they seen too play better as a unit. They get pass rush from literally anyone and everyone. They all pin their ears and play gap sound ootball. They transition from run reading to pass rush very well, this makes them a little slow to the pass rush but the dbsc cover so well it doesn't matter.....DL is a push
Lbs: another close unit comparison. Ums lbs are aggressive by play call. They play very deep off the line which allows them time to read and react. When they see it they really do trigger but they are terrible in pass coverage. They can't close the holes in the zone at all. They rely on blitzing to create negative plays or throw into coverage. Playing base they are very underwhelming. Msu's lbs play cost to the line and react quicker sideline to sideline and north and south. They aren't great in suffrage but their dbs are so good they don't need to be. They are darn good while playing base. They actually do close holes when in zone. They also create negative plays without having to blitz. Talent alone I think um may be better but actual play on the field msu is better all around....LB goes to msu.
K: neither are awesome. They get the job done. Msu's kicker early on was a concern but recently has been on point.... I'll give it a push.
P: both are adequate. Neither are just stellar... again push
Kr/pr: very close one again. Taco and Wortham are both really good pr's. If either gets a crease its over. Both equally deadly. Kr woods and worrham are equal to each other in my book. Wortham had been doing it longer so he has a better resume but what I've seen recently from woods, he's just as good. This one is a push.
So there isn't one group that umn is ACTUALLY better than based off film. They beat the piss out of bad teams and barely win against good to decent teams. Miss me with the playing back ups, msu does the same and we still kick people in the teeth. Um's record isn't a highlight of their actual team and msu's record isn't a highlight of their team. Msu matches up well acd is the better team in almost every single category. Now it's a rivalry game so all bets are off. Long as msu comes in and doesn't let the cat-griz hooplah get to them they will win going away. It'll be close early then we'll settle down and drag them into deep water and down then like an orca does a polar bear.
So let's see your game film analytical skills....I don't want numbers you tell me what you see in each team's positions and who's better than the other team.
Playerrep/oldgriz won’t respond and will say he doesn’t watch the cats. All while giving the play by play on egriz.