The most unofficial Bobcat gameday thread - UC Davis

[MSU01]

So, anyone watching on TV cannot answer this, only someone that was actually at the game and was paying attention (no TV angle showed what happened). On the deep pass with 2:00 left, they called PI on the DB. Was this the correct call? All you see on the TV broadcast his him standing back up from the sideline, which to me makes it seem like he was pushed by the WR.

I wondered about this, too. It looked like a really bad PI call and the playback didn't show everything. The fumble recovery in the end zone also looked like they blew the play dead before it was actually over. No doubt these were momentum killers but you can't let bad play calls prevent you from getting the stops. Not sure my cardiovascular health can take another game like that

All you could really see on the replay was Jon Johnson getting up off the ground as the receiver was going down the sideline. Johnson was signaling for a flag and Vigen was running down the sideline doing the same.

[technoCat]

So, anyone watching on TV cannot answer this, only someone that was actually at the game and was paying attention (no TV angle showed what happened). On the deep pass with 2:00 left, they called PI on the DB. Was this the correct call? All you see on the TV broadcast his him standing back up from the sideline, which to me makes it seem like he was pushed by the WR.

I wondered about this, too. It looked like a really bad PI call and the playback didn't show everything. The fumble recovery in the end zone also looked like they blew the play dead before it was actually over. No doubt these were momentum killers but you can't let bad play calls prevent you from getting the stops. Not sure my cardiovascular health can take another game like that

Is that the story on the fumble? Sure looked like a possible review.

Seriously starting with a very questionable PI, everything had to go perfectly for Davis to get back in it. If our d makes the play to end it on the second to last drive instead of the 2pt conversion, we still win comfortably. I'm fine with punting it when our d had made them go on long drawn out drives all night. How was Vigen supposed to know they would get their biggest chunk plays of the day all against essentially prevent defense? How was he supposed to know that Hastings would suddenly start throwing perfect dimes and the wrs would start catching everything AND become untackleable? I think this was a valuable lesson for our team that one play could have stopped all this and no lead is safe.

[MSU01]

So, anyone watching on TV cannot answer this, only someone that was actually at the game and was paying attention (no TV angle showed what happened). On the deep pass with 2:00 left, they called PI on the DB. Was this the correct call? All you see on the TV broadcast his him standing back up from the sideline, which to me makes it seem like he was pushed by the WR.

I wondered about this, too. It looked like a really bad PI call and the playback didn't show everything. The fumble recovery in the end zone also looked like they blew the play dead before it was actually over. No doubt these were momentum killers but you can't let bad play calls prevent you from getting the stops. Not sure my cardiovascular health can take another game like that

Is that the story on the fumble? Sure looked like a possible review.

Seriously starting with a very questionable PI, everything had to go perfectly for Davis to get back in it. If our d makes the play to end it on the second to last drive instead of the 2pt conversion, we still win comfortably. I'm fine with punting it when our d had made them go on long drawn out drives all night. How was Vigen supposed to know they would get their biggest chunk plays of the day all against essentially prevent defense? How was he supposed to know that Hastings would suddenly start throwing perfect dimes and the wrs would start catching everything AND become untackleable? I think this was a valuable lesson for our team that one play could have stopped all this and no lead is safe.

To me the potential fumble was definitely not a fumble. It was either down at the 1 or a touchdown, because it was pretty clear to me on the replay that the ball didn't come out until Larison had extended it across the goal line.

I agree with your other point that the comeback was largely due to bad luck and great plays made by Davis as opposed to anything the MSU players and coaches did poorly. I also thought the coaches made the right call to punt at the time it happened, although it's super easy to criticize the decision with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. With 2:20 left in the game and ahead by 15, the chances of the opponent scoring twice with no timeouts and starting backed up in their own end is incredibly low. It just so happened that this time, the incredibly unlikely event is the one that happened. Probability in action!

[SparkCat]

After some sleep and pondering about UC Davis’ comeback. I actually think it was a great thing to of happened. UC Davis continued to fight and even with the 1-0 mentality coaching and Im sure to an extent players thought the game was in the bag come the 4th. Having a close win that wasn’t necessarily the story of the game but because of prematurely starting to take the foot of the pedal will teach them they have to continue to play through the 4th. Hell, really aside from UNM the startering defense hasn’t had to worry to much in the 4th. This will act as a reminder that not only is every game is 1-0 but so is every down.

[mchammer]

Our defense played a great game for so long. I can see why we trusted them to contain, and punted on 4th down. The last punt by Davis made less sense. I thought, "really?" All of a sudden Davis was unstoppable, apparently free of doubt. I didn't see that coming, or the perfect onside kick bounce. Felt like we were up against magic.

[SparkCat]

Our defense played a great game for so long. I can see why we trusted them to contain, and punted on 4th down. The last punt by Davis made less sense. I thought, "really?" All of a sudden Davis was unstoppable, apparently free of doubt. I didn't see that coming, or the perfect onside kick bounce. Felt like we were up against magic.

Magic was truly at play.

I was going to say dark magic, however, after listening to their coach post game, he is a very honorable man.

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[BgCATfan]

Good god people shut The HELL up. We're 11-0. WE'RE 11-0!!!!

Yes

But also, you gotta recognize how AWFUL that was. You can't do that in the playoffs

Oh 100% Coaches have some introspection to do. Gotta be more aggressive. They can't control a perfect onside kick and bad tackling though in game though.

Onside kick, no
But the defense, as good as they can be, needs to take a long look at their fundamentals this week

Just talked to someone who was at the game. Evidently the big long pass where Ty thought they were calling offensive PI was just a completely egregious miss by the ref. Johnson pulled down with both hands by the WR. Hard to blame our team really. Without that play, the crap call in the end zone on us, and a perfect onside kick that game never gets close. Only thing I would do is RTDB up 15 on 4th and 2.

We were at the game, this happened right down the sideline to our left, even all of the Davis fans around us thought it was on them and coming back.

[GoldstoneCat]

Good god people shut The HELL up. We're 11-0. WE'RE 11-0!!!!

Yes

But also, you gotta recognize how AWFUL that was. You can't do that in the playoffs

Oh 100% Coaches have some introspection to do. Gotta be more aggressive. They can't control a perfect onside kick and bad tackling though in game though.

Onside kick, no
But the defense, as good as they can be, needs to take a long look at their fundamentals this week

Just talked to someone who was at the game. Evidently the big long pass where Ty thought they were calling offensive PI was just a completely egregious miss by the ref. Johnson pulled down with both hands by the WR. Hard to blame our team really. Without that play, the crap call in the end zone on us, and a perfect onside kick that game never gets close. Only thing I would do is RTDB up 15 on 4th and 2.

We were at the game, this happened right down the sideline to our left, even all of the Davis fans around us thought it was on them and coming back.

You can't have that. 2 PI calls in big spots. The one on us in the EZ was marginal at best I thought.

[BobcatDel]

Our defense played a great game for so long. I can see why we trusted them to contain, and punted on 4th down. The last punt by Davis made less sense. I thought, "really?" All of a sudden Davis was unstoppable, apparently free of doubt. I didn't see that coming, or the perfect onside kick bounce. Felt like we were up against magic.

Magic was truly at play.

I was going to say dark magic, however, after listening to their coach post game, he is a very honorable man.

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Nip and tuck between Bobby and Tim on who gives the most respectful and honorable interview…..not! Tim appears to be a real class guy and I have a feeling he is well on the path to building a year-in year-out winning program at UCD!

[BobcatDel]

For those at the game, was there a trophy presentation after the game?

TV announcers alluded to a trophy presentation but didn’t know if that was real time or just a reference to Bobcats winning the trophy!

[BleedingBLue]

PI is a very subjective call. Every official has a different level for what they will and won't call. The problem for me is the crew seemed to be getting caught up in the moment and made some bad calls due to that. A perfect example was the Referee making the announcement on the big catch and run PI. He seemed excited, almost giddy while making the announcement. Myself and our crew wat hing all said the same thing at that point.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Subjective PI is almost always going to go against the defense, especially in the BSC. Unfortunate, but true.

Had we not gone conservative on offense, we win by at least 3 scores. Disappointing finish, but clearly the better team, BSC champions, and home field for playoffs.

Honestly, that ending might have been a good thing for the coaches and players. Cannot let up against good teams.

[Common Cat]

Is not going for the kill shot on 4th and 2 from their 43 with 2:20 left a defining moment for Vigen? When the chips are down not to lean on Davis and your elite o line right there puts a bad taste in my mouth to an otherwise dominant game by the cats.

[wbtfg]

Subjective PI is almost always going to go against the defense, especially in the BSC. Unfortunate, but true.

Had we not gone conservative on offense, we win by at least 3 scores. Disappointing finish, but clearly the better team, BSC champions, and home field for playoffs.

Honestly, that ending might have been a good thing for the coaches and players. Cannot let up against good teams.

I agree with this 100%. We were clearly the best team out there. Had a few flukey plays (Larison 1 handed catch, onside kick), a questionable call or two, and we came out on top.

D-Line played lights out last night.

[MSU01]

Is not going for the kill shot on 4th and 2 from their 43 with 2:20 left a defining moment for Vigen? When the chips are down not to lean on Davis and your elite o line right there puts a bad taste in my mouth to an otherwise dominant game by the cats.

No. According to the ESPN win probability chart MSU had a 99.9% win probability when they punted and a 99.9% win probability after the punt. Even after Davis' long pass play MSU was still at 99.4% probability to win! What happened was a fluky outcome and not the result of poor coaching decisions we can over-analyze with the aid of 20/20 hindsight.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Subjective PI is almost always going to go against the defense, especially in the BSC. Unfortunate, but true.

Had we not gone conservative on offense, we win by at least 3 scores. Disappointing finish, but clearly the better team, BSC champions, and home field for playoffs.

Honestly, that ending might have been a good thing for the coaches and players. Cannot let up against good teams.

I agree with this 100%. We were clearly the best team out there. Had a few flukey plays (Larison 1 handed catch, onside kick), a questionable call or two, and we came out on top.

D-Line played lights out last night.

That Larison catch was one of the best I’ve ever seen. Sick, sick, catch.

[Monymony]

Is not going for the kill shot on 4th and 2 from their 43 with 2:20 left a defining moment for Vigen? When the chips are down not to lean on Davis and your elite o line right there puts a bad taste in my mouth to an otherwise dominant game by the cats.

But the way our defense played all game it made more sense to pin them deep. Plus our run wasn’t automatic and that could’ve given them tons of momentum. I think our bigger problem was we got away from the pass which was a lot of our offense today. Either way we got it done but this game should’ve been a 3-4 touchdown game.

[wbtfg]

Is not going for the kill shot on 4th and 2 from their 43 with 2:20 left a defining moment for Vigen? When the chips are down not to lean on Davis and your elite o line right there puts a bad taste in my mouth to an otherwise dominant game by the cats.

I don’t mind the call. 2 minutes left. Defense was playing great. Pin them deep and make them go the full field. Unfortunately we forgot how to tackle.

If we go for it and don’t get it and it plays out the exact same way, we’d be talking about “punt the ball and trust the defense”

[catscat]

Good god people shut The HELL up. We're 11-0. WE'RE 11-0!!!!

Yes

But also, you gotta recognize how AWFUL that was. You can't do that in the playoffs

Oh 100% Coaches have some introspection to do. Gotta be more aggressive. They can't control a perfect onside kick and bad tackling though in game though.

Onside kick, no
But the defense, as good as they can be, needs to take a long look at their fundamentals this week

Just talked to someone who was at the game. Evidently the big long pass where Ty thought they were calling offensive PI was just a completely egregious miss by the ref. Johnson pulled down with both hands by the WR. Hard to blame our team really. Without that play, the crap call in the end zone on us, and a perfect onside kick that game never gets close. Only thing I would do is RTDB up 15 on 4th and 2.

We were at the game, this happened right down the sideline to our left, even all of the Davis fans around us thought it was on them and coming back.

Yep! I'm reading this whole thread wondering where's the indignation from the TV viewers over that call. Instead, it's "we shoulda done this," "we shoulda done that." When actually, it's if the officials had correctly called that play, Davis is backed up even further and most likely game over.

What I saw was the Davis receiver push our DB down, catch the ball and take off. The flag came out and I said to myself alright, comin' back. I think half (or more) of our defense saw and thought the same thing. Then it's like "oh $hit, maybe we better get this guy." Then I, and all the other Cat fans, am flabbergasted when the PI IS ON US!! Vigen gave the officials an ear full.

So bottom line is, all you BN warriors blaming the coaches, back off. Hell, even apologize. Nothing wrong with the play calls or coaching, but just a perfect example of how poor officiating can turn a game.

[Common Cat]

Is not going for the kill shot on 4th and 2 from their 43 with 2:20 left a defining moment for Vigen? When the chips are down not to lean on Davis and your elite o line right there puts a bad taste in my mouth to an otherwise dominant game by the cats.

I don’t mind the call. 2 minutes left. Defense was playing great. Pin them deep and make them go the full field. Unfortunately we forgot how to tackle.

If we go for it and don’t get it and it plays out the exact same way, we’d be talking about “punt the ball and trust the defense”

You could argue punting it there is the definition of playing not to lose. I just don’t like that.