Housewright cited for aggravated DUI

[91catAlum]

Per the last post here, Garza's court appearance was supposed to be 8/16 and an article from Housewright's initial appearance said his next court date was scheduled for 8/9. Does anyone know if these took place or if they were delayed?

I think Garza's got extended into September. Unsure about Housewrights. However, if you go over to EGriz they should have the most up-to-date details on our convict coordinators.

Garza and Housewright coaching ball next year.

Dang Vim you're a little salty today.

Well mostly this was meant to be a joke since its been nothing but seriousness and scrutiny for about 9 months since Garza got his DUI. Is the seriousness and scrutiny warranted? Absolutely especially since the individuals involved should be holding themselves to a higher standard. Everyone makes mistakes...I understand that. I've already voiced my displeasure that Garza is still on this staff as this was his 3rd DUI and...someone correct me if I'm wrong...would mean jail time if convicted. NOT GREAT! My opinion is he should be focused on getting help instead of coaching football at a college level. I understand innocent until proven guilty but I've seen too many adults and friends in my life hurt themselves over and over again because they get one too many chances at making the same mistake without a greater amount of accountability.

As for Housewright, the entire situation reeks of a young coach who made an error in judgement and tried to do damage control. I've heard many different stories on what happened that night but I could see him still coaching after the dust settles. Its a shame he was in the situation in the first place.

The WE WANT ANSWERS crowd (mostly made up of dedicated Griz faithful) can follow a dedicated team of local media reporters giving them answers for months now as basically we've just been following court dates. Reading between the lines it also appears MSU can't just fire these men until proven guilty. Not quite sure what else there is to say at this point. I'm personally ready to move on whether its with or without either of them.

I think the 2nd DUI is mandatory jail time but the punishment also depends on the time frame, like it has to be 2 dui's within 10 years or something like that for mandatory jail. His 1st DUI was over 20 years ago and while it still counts on his record, the sentencing changes based on the time frame.
Normally, 4th DUI is Felony DUI if I remember correctly which is where prison time is on the table, but again, it depends on the time frame.

EDIT: according to this link, the "look back" period in Montana for sentencing purposes is 10 years.
https://legalbeagle.com/13731740-montan ... lties.html

[TomCat88]

Per the last post here, Garza's court appearance was supposed to be 8/16 and an article from Housewright's initial appearance said his next court date was scheduled for 8/9. Does anyone know if these took place or if they were delayed?

I think Garza's got extended into September. Unsure about Housewrights. However, if you go over to EGriz they should have the most up-to-date details on our convict coordinators.

Garza and Housewright coaching ball next year.

Dang Vim you're a little salty today.

Well mostly this was meant to be a joke since its been nothing but seriousness and scrutiny for about 9 months since Garza got his DUI. Is the seriousness and scrutiny warranted? Absolutely especially since the individuals involved should be holding themselves to a higher standard. Everyone makes mistakes...I understand that. I've already voiced my displeasure that Garza is still on this staff as this was his 3rd DUI and...someone correct me if I'm wrong...would mean jail time if convicted. NOT GREAT! My opinion is he should be focused on getting help instead of coaching football at a college level. I understand innocent until proven guilty but I've seen too many adults and friends in my life hurt themselves over and over again because they get one too many chances at making the same mistake without a greater amount of accountability.

As for Housewright, the entire situation reeks of a young coach who made an error in judgement and tried to do damage control. I've heard many different stories on what happened that night but I could see him still coaching after the dust settles. Its a shame he was in the situation in the first place.

The WE WANT ANSWERS crowd (mostly made up of dedicated Griz faithful) can follow a dedicated team of local media reporters giving them answers for months now as basically we've just been following court dates. Reading between the lines it also appears MSU can't just fire these men until proven guilty. Not quite sure what else there is to say at this point. I'm personally ready to move on whether its with or without either of them.

I think the 2nd DUI is mandatory jail time but the punishment also depends on the time frame, like it has to be 2 dui's within 10 years or something like that for mandatory jail. His 1st DUI was over 20 years ago and while it still counts on his record, the sentencing changes based on the time frame.
Normally, 4th DUI is Felony DUI if I remember correctly which is where prison time is on the table, but again, it depends on the time frame.

EDIT: according to this link, the "look back" period in Montana for sentencing purposes is 10 years.
https://legalbeagle.com/13731740-montan ... lties.html

How does dui per se figure into the equation?

[Colter_Nuanez]

[luckyirishguy25]

Who would have thought, an old man yelling at a cloud creates content.

[coloradocat]

Good podcast Colter. It won't quiet the 'tar and feather' crowd but it at least provides perspective from the media side of things.

[CelticCat]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

[coloradocat]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

[MSU01]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

I don't think anything about this necessarily needs to be "pushed" as in asking about it in every press conference when you know you aren't going to get an answer, but I do think there are a few questions that it would be good to have answered before the season begins and this keeps hanging over the team.

- Coach Garza was suspended for one game after his DUI arrest. Will Housewright and/or Mix face a similar punishment for their charges?
- If yes, what will that punishment be?
- If any of the coaches are found guilty of their charges during the season, is there a potential for additional punishment?

[coloradocat]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

I don't think anything about this necessarily needs to be "pushed" as in asking about it in every press conference when you know you aren't going to get an answer, but I do think there are a few questions that it would be good to have answered before the season begins and this keeps hanging over the team.

- Coach Garza was suspended for one game after his DUI arrest. Will Housewright and/or Mix face a similar punishment for their charges?
- If yes, what will that punishment be?
- If any of the coaches are found guilty of their charges during the season, is there a potential for additional punishment?

I assume all of those questions have been asked, either formally or informally. This is going to keep hanging over the team no matter what any one does/doesn't do/say. At this point, there's no reason for reporters to bring it up until the legal side is resolved, other than to keep the story in the public eye.

[MSU01]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

I don't think anything about this necessarily needs to be "pushed" as in asking about it in every press conference when you know you aren't going to get an answer, but I do think there are a few questions that it would be good to have answered before the season begins and this keeps hanging over the team.

- Coach Garza was suspended for one game after his DUI arrest. Will Housewright and/or Mix face a similar punishment for their charges?
- If yes, what will that punishment be?
- If any of the coaches are found guilty of their charges during the season, is there a potential for additional punishment?

I assume all of those questions have been asked, either formally or informally. This is going to keep hanging over the team no matter what any one does/doesn't do/say. At this point, there's no reason for reporters to bring it up until the legal side is resolved, other than to keep the story in the public eye.

I'm sure they have, and I don't necessarily expect the media to ask questions they know won't be answered. But I think it would be helpful for Coach Vigen or anyone from MSU to at least say something before the season starts, even if that something is that we're still monitoring the legal process and won't have any comment until it's over. Saying nothing at all just feeds the narrative that MSU is trying to sweep everything under the rug.

[tetoncat]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

I don't think anything about this necessarily needs to be "pushed" as in asking about it in every press conference when you know you aren't going to get an answer, but I do think there are a few questions that it would be good to have answered before the season begins and this keeps hanging over the team.

- Coach Garza was suspended for one game after his DUI arrest. Will Housewright and/or Mix face a similar punishment for their charges?
- If yes, what will that punishment be?
- If any of the coaches are found guilty of their charges during the season, is there a potential for additional punishment?

I assume all of those questions have been asked, either formally or informally. This is going to keep hanging over the team no matter what any one does/doesn't do/say. At this point, there's no reason for reporters to bring it up until the legal side is resolved, other than to keep the story in the public eye.

I'm sure they have, and I don't necessarily expect the media to ask questions they know won't be answered. But I think it would be helpful for Coach Vigen or anyone from MSU to at least say something before the season starts, even if that something is that we're still monitoring the legal process and won't have any comment until it's over. Saying nothing at all just feeds the narrative that MSU is trying to sweep everything under the rug.

And you know that hasn't been done? Maybe it was in Jan and May.

CelticCat are you expecting reporters to go do an investigation or try to get comments from potential witnesses just to push the issue. What you get is rumors and stories that don't always align with final verdicts.

[coloradocat]

Thanks for an interesting listen, if anything to learn a little bit more about how the news work, what kind of outlet does what, etc.

Frankly it just shows me we need more local journalism because someone should be pushing the issue on this a little bit, and should have the resources and time to do so.

What about the issue needs to be pushed at this point? I don't think moralizing op-eds are necessary. At this point, wait for the legal system to play out and see what MSU concludes as far as employment at that point.

I don't think anything about this necessarily needs to be "pushed" as in asking about it in every press conference when you know you aren't going to get an answer, but I do think there are a few questions that it would be good to have answered before the season begins and this keeps hanging over the team.

- Coach Garza was suspended for one game after his DUI arrest. Will Housewright and/or Mix face a similar punishment for their charges?
- If yes, what will that punishment be?
- If any of the coaches are found guilty of their charges during the season, is there a potential for additional punishment?

I assume all of those questions have been asked, either formally or informally. This is going to keep hanging over the team no matter what any one does/doesn't do/say. At this point, there's no reason for reporters to bring it up until the legal side is resolved, other than to keep the story in the public eye.

I'm sure they have, and I don't necessarily expect the media to ask questions they know won't be answered. But I think it would be helpful for Coach Vigen or anyone from MSU to at least say something before the season starts, even if that something is that we're still monitoring the legal process and won't have any comment until it's over. Saying nothing at all just feeds the narrative that MSU is trying to sweep everything under the rug.

And you know that hasn't been done? Maybe it was in Jan and May.

CelticCat are you expecting reporters to go do an investigation or try to get comments from potential witnesses just to push the issue. What you get is rumors and stories that don't always align with final verdicts.

This exact scenario came up in the podcast (Duke lacrosse).

As far as Vigen making a statement before the season starts, didn't he say almost MSU01's exact wording during spring ball? I feel like he was asked and said this, or maybe it was an opening statement, during that time.

The problem is that for some people, nothing will ever be enough. Even if both coaches are fired it won't be enough because they weren't fired the morning after the arrests occurred and the team/school hasn't regularly discussed it. So anyone can say "if they just did this" but in most cases they would just keep moving the goal posts. It's guaranteed that's the situation on egriz and it's likely the case for may here as well.

[Justwinbaby]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

[coloradocat]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

Breaking news: Successful coaches get performance-based contract extensions with raises!

Google is really not that hard man:
https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 62f21.html

[catatac]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

As in, what question or questions would you suggest? Vigen made it clear that he would not address anything related to the legal matters, until after the court dates.

[CelticCat]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

Breaking news: Successful coaches get performance-based contract extensions with raises!

Google is really not that hard man:
https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 62f21.html

Maybe I missed the part of the article where it mentioned anything about the raises being performance based? It's probably assumed but that article doesn't specify.

[coloradocat]

Clearly the answer is to round up every sports reporter in the state and have a self-selected group from egriz and Bobcat Nation interrogate them about what they did and didn't ask Vigen, Leon and Waded every single day since Cat/griz.

[coloradocat]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

Breaking news: Successful coaches get performance-based contract extensions with raises!

Google is really not that hard man:
https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 62f21.html

Maybe I missed the part of the article where it mentioned anything about the raises being performance based? It's probably assumed but that article doesn't specify.

That was slight editorializing on my part. Their jobs are performance based so if they got extensions that means they were based on (at a minimum) acceptable performance. The article does say that their bonuses are performance based.

Housewright didn't even get a raise, which you could take as a pay cut considering inflation. I would think everyone on here would agree that between the two of them, he's the one that deserves a raise based on performance. Garza only got a 2% raise which seems like standard state employee bump. Based on 0% and 2% they should both feel like their new contracts are a form of punishment. Hopefully their bonus structures will make up for that, for the games they coach. If they keep their jobs and are just suspended without pay for whatever amount of games, I hope they can be adequately compensated for the games they coach. Garza wouldn't be a huge loss but I wouldn't want to see Housewright leave because the school won't pay him. He's proven to be a good, rising OC.

[Justwinbaby]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

Breaking news: Successful coaches get performance-based contract extensions with raises!

Google is really not that hard man:
https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 62f21.html

Find another coach in the nation that received an extension while involved in an ongoing criminal case. That's a variance from the norm...and worthy of questions from a curious media - if there is such a thing any more.

BTW - if performance based- Garza deserved zip, nada, nothin regardless of his 3rd dui.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I can't think of any good reason a journalist would NOT ask about the extensions and raises.

There is no adjudication ongoing about those. Correct?

Breaking news: Successful coaches get performance-based contract extensions with raises!

Google is really not that hard man:
https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 62f21.html

Find another coach in the nation that received an extension while involved in an ongoing criminal case. That's a variance from the norm...and worthy of questions from a curious media - if there is such a thing any more.

BTW - if performance based- Garza deserved zip, nada, nothin regardless of his 3rd dui.

One should also realize that in the FCS, or at least with the Montana schools, assistants don’t get more than a one year contract. That’s not typical at the FBS level. Semantics, but it was more a renewal of contract than an extension. To me, there is a difference.