Coaching Schmoaching...

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:22 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
redhed wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:look i think el_g posted somthing like this in a earlier thread but here we go.

look at where the cats were in 1999, 3-8 record, bunch of players quiting and hurt, new coach, new program. and now we are in the second round of the playoffs having a better year then i expected ::yay::

Kramer, Baily are excellent coaches who did very good jobs with what they had (a quarterback that would not get rid of the ball... )

so, until we go somthing like 3-8 again lets stop with the "fire kramer" and "fire baily" bullsh!t
THANK YOU!!!!
no problem and this shi! happenes whenever our o fails to put up 100 points against the likes of florida...even with TL in at qb. It is child like, disengenious, not to mention ill informed.

i am a seond time student at msu. i remember back in 1999 and 2000 when you could go to cat games with your studnet id, get inside the stadium, and have 50 yardline seats.. the cats could not play, there was hairy back guy. look where we are now. sellouts at the end of the season that is not the cat griz game, hosting a first round playoff game (first win since 1984 for those of us with alzeheimers...) second round appearance holding our own against team "deliverance", a team that should have marched us up and down their home stadium.

if anything we should be giving Kramer, Baily and christoff pats on the back for what they did to get us here.

HECK YEAH! While the WR end around pass play seems like a bad call after the fact. Many of us know that to beat a quick aggressive team like App. State (and the Griz for that matter) is that you have to make them pay for being aggressive. The call was the RIGHT call in my opinion but the execution was not there. Jefferson should have not thrown the ball and just ate it and ran the ball. I am sure Jefferson would tell you the same thing. He just shouldn't have thrown it. In my opinion we WERE running it down their throat and they expected that so I can see them going 100% balls out to get Jefferson on that 'suppossed' reverse play. The thing is the safety didn't bite on it and the WR was double teamed. The throw just shouldn't have been made. If Jefferson connects and we score everyone is saying what a great call (keep the misdirection/other team guessing for being aggressive etc.).

I think our coaches did a heck of a job this year and one play isn't going to ruin my opinion of that. The play was just not executed correctly and shouldn't have been thrown. Seems like there were a lot of people that loved the pass play from the RB to the WR in the NAU game a while back? Why didn't Bailey get some kudos on that?

The fact is App. State made more plays down the stretch than we did and we got beat by a better team. The coaches and players did a GREAT job to get our team back in the fight and we almost pulled it to 24-24 with one quarter to go. The CATS played with a lot of FIRE and PRIDE to get over that first quarter and get back in the game! It was very impressive indeed even though we lost the game.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:33 pm

I'm not calling for anyone to be fired (least of all Mike Kramer) but I also think it's OK for us fans to offer our opinions when we truly see areas where we think we need improvement. Here are my 2 biggest:

1) I HOPE that Mike will swallow his pride a little bit and acknowledge that we NEED a REAL PUNTER on our sidelines. We were blessed with a guy in Travis Lulay who simply had a knack for the rugby-style punt but I would think by now it's PAINFULLY obvious that guys like that are rare. If we roll-punt on occassion to shake the other team up, no problem but to have that as our ONLY option this year clearly caused more problems for us than for our opponents.

2) Overall, I think Bailey's offenses have been decent but I just can't seem to shake the feeling that unless we have 5+ "flashy" plays during a game, he's not satisfied. Saturday was a perfect example; we had just started to get Mason some room on the ground and then had the big screen play to end the third quarter. Yes, if the end-around WR pass play works, he's a genius but that is a HIGH-RISK play and was Jefferson's ONLY throw of the season. When something is working and your team is right in the game, I seriously doubt any/many of us would be critical if we'd just gotten the ball to Mason a few more times. The draws were working and again, that screen play was PERFECT given the tremendous rush ASU was putting on us all day. But that one play totally changed momentum and was really the beginning of the end for us.

I have no problem if our O simply plays "3 yards in a cloud of dust" football WHEN IT IS EFFECTIVE. We did it vs the Griz in 05 and it worked. But it just seems most times that it's not "pretty" enough for Bailey. I agreed with Andre Ware after the Jefferson pick; that play call almost felt like Bailey was saying "we can't beat you without resorting to this" yet what we were doing just prior to that play seemed to be really starting to work at that point in the game. NOTE: I WON'T hold Bailey responsible for the execution of that play; Jefferson really did do a bad job of selling the end-around. But to call it at that point in the game, IMO, was not a good decision.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:13 pm

Or alternatively, we recruit a rugby player.

Post by **kmax** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:25 pm

CelticCat wrote:Or alternatively, we recruit a rugby player.

Hey, we once recruited a skier to placekick, I've heard that wasn't a complete disaster.

Post by **rtb** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:26 pm

kmax wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Or alternatively, we recruit a rugby player.
Hey, we once recruited a skier to placekick, I've heard that wasn't a complete disaster.

We did recruit a rugby player. Kevin Ah-hi was on the youth national rugby team. Maybe that is why he is here, in addition to linebacker we may have a rolling punter in the works.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:57 pm

I can't disagree with many of the posts on here. The only one was that the players wanted to win and Bailey did not. That is complete crud. There is no way a coach at this level is not busting his butt to win every game. They are getting paid and they also love the game or they would not be there. Was it a bad call or poor execution. May be both, but I do not think they ever call something to specifically lose the game.