More Griz Thuggery

[Grizplan]

Trumaine is an exceptionally gifted athlete, but is an immature thug from the hood who has zero class. Ironically, he has legitimate NFL-type talent, but will probably blow any chances he will have to get drafted because of his off-field behavior. I have talked to many people from Missoula who have experienced Trumaine in action in downtown Missoula. He is an incident waiting to happen.

[GrizinWashington]

I have a question for everyone. Earlier (can't remember if it was this summer or last spring) it is known that a prominent Bobcat football player got into a fight and kicked the crap out of a kid. It is rumored that he didn't start the fight but he was still involved and this wasn't the first time that he has had trouble. People were sticking up for him and how the Bobcats handled the incident. Now the almost exact same thing happenes to some Griz players and some of you are acting like its the end of the world. There have been many comments that say "good thing this isn't happening in our program anymore" when we know that it has happened to you guys to. I'm not happy with what happened as I was just talking about how Swink seems like a good guy that is up here playing football and minding his own business. I could go on and on about how these kids made a horrible decision and should be smarter and if it was ok or not for the Kaimin to report this. But my question is why was the punishment ok for a Bobcat player but an even more severe punishment IMO is not ok for a Griz player when from the facts it seems like the incident is almost identical?

good post. it's hypocracy, and a little embarrassing. basically what i have learned reading this thread is a fight in which a griz is involved is worse than a fight in which a cat is involved. i also learned that if the cops are called, and the incident is reported in the paper, that makes it BETTER, and less of a "cover up" than if a fight occured and no authorities were called. the fact is these guys have a great opportunity to play football and get free school. it's a gift. if you screw with it you should be done. after these guys beat the crap out of this guy they should have been off the team. although, if you kick the crap out of someone on the 4th of july you should be off the team. if you murder someone you should be off the team. if you break into a home you should be off the team. if you decide to be underage and steal beer froma store you should be off the team. if you drink and drive you should be off the team. if you beat up a girl outside of the dorms you should be off of the team. if you sell drugs you should be off the team. if you tie someone up and rob them you should be off the team. i know kids will be kids. but i'm constantly amazed at how people justify what these guys are doing. especially "older" guys who aren't hanging out with these kids in the bars and at house parties. i understand that because they are cats and griz that some fans refuse to believe that they can't do anything wrong...but that is simply not fact. i love the cats, but there have been many cat players over the years who i couldn't stand. they were complete tools. some were just meat heads. just because you root for a team doesn't mean you need to justify what everyone on that team does....especially when you know it was wrong.

Where does anyone say that what the Cat players did was any better or worse than this? Where does anyone say that because MSU’s problems made the papers it was then "OK"?

You may have learned a lot but maybe you should reread what was written and you will learn something else.

My point was that bye hiding it BH made it worse. By acknowledging it Ash was able to get by it. By going off on a student reporter BH caused a bigger problem for his program. I never said that their CB should have more or less discipline, I just said that I think they have a problem with the culture of their team and it showed today when #2 (the same guy we are talking about) got a taunting call and laughed about it to his teammates while pointing at the flag.

The issue is not so much what the players did but how it was handled by the coaches.

I disagree that any infraction of any rule should be dismissal from the team.

my reading is just fine thanks. maybe you know way more than me about this incident. if the police weren't called, what did you want bobby to do? hold a press conference? how is it a cover up? and as i stated, if it is in fact a cover up, than you are in for a rude awakening. would you like me to list all of the infractions by current and former cats that weren't reported in the paper but were handled within the team? that was my whole point. many people on this board who only know these players by what they do on the football field on saturday afternoons have no clue about the real personalities of the players. i'm not saying many of them are bad guys, but i am saying that there have been many over the years that did stupid things. i have nung out with and lived with many of the former players. most were great but some were complete jackasses in every sense of the word. it's amazing how some fans refuse to accept that. there are 4 pages on egriz around this incident and many of them are justifying what was done. and maybe the fight was justifiable. no one knows unless they were there. just like no one knew about gazzeros incident unless they were there. and the only reason that i came to the conclusion that griz getting into fights is worse than cats is because we have current players who have had their own problems with the law, as well as being in fights, yet some on here (never said you) act like this griz incident is worse. there is no point to thins thread if you really feel like it's the same thing we have going on on our own team. like i said, maybe you were there. all i can go by is first hand experince, and my first hand experience is that while there are many great kids that play for the cats and griz, there are also a lot of clowns that get in trouble, get in fights, and break the law. some people accept this. others act like it can't be possible, and focus on the other teams problems rather than their own.

WTG proving again why he's perhaps the best, most logical poster on this board.

[BDizzle]

Trumaine is an exceptionally gifted athlete, but is an immature thug from the hood who has zero class. Ironically, he has legitimate NFL-type talent, but will probably blow any chances he will have to get drafted because of his off-field behavior. I have talked to many people from Missoula who have experienced Trumaine in action in downtown Missoula. He is an incident waiting to happen.

I call BS on your statements about Trumaine being a thug from the hood and an incident waiting to happen. Trumaine is actually a well spoken nice young man. He got into a stupid fight and learned a valuable lesson from it. Ever since the fight he has actually stayed away from parties and other places where he could get in trouble. So hard to be an incident waiting to happen downtown when he is rarely downtown. While the taunting foul was dumb he was slapping hands with his teammate. Wasn't taunting the opponent in any way. Once again Hauck did the right thing and benched him just so he knows that no matter how good you are you cannot hurt the team by doing something like that. So Grizplan I don't know what your agenda is but spouting off lies and rumors on a rivals board is not gonna work.

[Grizplan]

I do not have an agenda. I have eyes and ears, and can see the immature antics of this kid on the field, and can listen to friends of mine, who I trust much more than your feelings toward this kid. You are just like so many "fans" who refuse to admit that we have recruited some kids of questionable character. If you think that it is O.K. for our players to thug-beat an unconscious kid lying on the ground, flash gang signals after a big play, and get multiple personal fouls for taunting opponents, then you and I will just have to disagree. I stand firmly behind my statement about his downtown demeanor, as it was shared with me several times before this beating incident even was made public.

Quit playing the victum role with this kid.

[BDizzle]

I do not have an agenda. I have eyes and ears, and can see the immature antics of this kid on the field, and can listen to friends of mine, who I trust much more than your feelings toward this kid. You are just like so many "fans" who refuse to admit that we have recruited some kids of questionable character. If you think that it is O.K. for our players to thug-beat an unconscious kid lying on the ground, flash gang signals after a big play, and get multiple personal fouls for taunting opponents, then you and I will just have to disagree. I stand firmly behind my statement about his downtown demeanor, as it was shared with me several times before this beating incident even was made public.

Quit playing the victum role with this kid.

I admit we have recruited players that have caused trouble before, during, and after their time at Montana. BUT these guys did not thug-beat an unconscious kid. They got into a fight. Why is it a thug beat down with these guys and not any other fight that happens? They are not flashing gang signs. They are flashing a hand signal that signifies their home state. I'm not saying some people don't use the WestCoast sign as a gang symbol but saying Tru is using it as that is ridiculous. Time have changed and things have evolved. Its no longer considered strictly a gang symbol. Is he in a gang. No. He didn't taunt his opponent. He celebrated with a teammate. You are just taking everything that happens and turning it into the worst possible scenario possible. And it does suck that he got into a fight in the first place. Should've been smarter than that. But he made a mistake and learned from it. Lets just say if he gets into another serious incident in the near future than I will apologize and say you are right. Until then I will stand by my first hand experience of Tru and believe it was an honest mistake and you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Born2BaGriz]

I do not have an agenda. I have eyes and ears, and can see the immature antics of this kid on the field, and can listen to friends of mine, who I trust much more than your feelings toward this kid. You are just like so many "fans" who refuse to admit that we have recruited some kids of questionable character. If you think that it is O.K. for our players to thug-beat an unconscious kid lying on the ground, flash gang signals after a big play, and get multiple personal fouls for taunting opponents, then you and I will just have to disagree. I stand firmly behind my statement about his downtown demeanor, as it was shared with me several times before this beating incident even was made public.

Quit playing the victum role with this kid.

A brand new account and you come on here and scold other fans about having their heads in the sand. Here is the bottom line. I played under Donovan and Reid. I had a family member play under Dennehy, and I have had friends and teammates kids whom played under Glenn and Bobby. What has changed more then anything is the treatment the current kids get versus what occured back in the day. Today with cell phones, cell phone cameras, and the internet, information simply makes it around so much quicker. Also, because of the status of Grizzly football, the players are being held to a higher standard then when I played. For instance in the fall of 86, Don's first year in Missoula myself and another, much higher profile player were involved in an incident in Stocks. Nothing hit the press, and after determining that while we should have just removed ourselves from the situation, the other guys were asking for it. None the less, we both received the joy of running up to the M after practice for a couple of weeks. And it is funny when we rush to be critical of a coach how quickly we forget about the incident in the 90's at the Sigma Chi house.

You have over 100 kids on the team and I believe there is no attempt to recruit kids of less the favorable character by this staff any more then the one's that have proceeded it. I can't justify the behavior, no more then I can that of a prior Cat coach and some players. I will concede that I believe Ash is vetting the background of some of the players more so then Krammer did under the belief that there will be less off the field issues. But if you want to believe that there are no off the field issues going on in Bozeman or any other campus then you are mistaken. I know I don't live in a glass house, and I have already provided some evidence of my prior sins. I'm not sure why some people have expectations of student -athletes beyond what they expect from the general population. What would have been the article if a kid on a Presidential Scholarship would have been involved in a fight? The bottomline is that we do hold them to a higher standard and Coach Reid was always reminding us that our behavior represented more then just us and to mindful of our actions.

I do not have a contact in the Missoula PD, I don't befriend current players to give me in the lockerroom material. And while I'm on a first name basis with several of the coaching staff and our AD, I don't pump them for inside information. That being said, I don't know what went on that night and I have my doubts about anybody else who posts on here really has the information they think they have. I'm sorry it happened and I hope that they and the other players make better choices in the future. Just as when the Cats first had their problems, I told a lot of Griz fans to shut their pieholes because it wasn't prudent to badmouth their situation because we had our own issues. And the same thing is true now.

[Grizplan]

I agree with everything you said in your post. I am not naive enough to think that similar incidents did not occur under previous Griz coaches. I also know that every program in America has similar things happen. But I think you are missing my point. I want my fellow fans to focus on the pattern of repeated thug-type behavior of too many of Bobby's recruits, rather than to focus on the things you wrote at length about in your post concerning this one incident.

Did Read, Donovan, Dennehy, and Glenn have players bradishing guns downtown? Did they have a player on trial for murder? Did they have players robbing and pistol-whipping an individual? Trumaine obvioused has not learned from his suspension, based upon what I witnessed from him in yesterday's game. How can you attempt to equate some fight at Stocks in a previous era to the repeated criminal activities which have surrounded Bobby's program? This is apples and oranges, as far as I am concerned.

[Born2BaGriz]

I agree with everything you said in your post. I am not naive enough to think that similar incidents did not occur under previous Griz coaches. I also know that every program in America has similar things happen. But I think you are missing my point. I want my fellow fans to focus on the pattern of repeated thug-type behavior of too many of Bobby's recruits, rather than to focus on the things you wrote at length about in your post concerning this one incident.

Did Read, Donovan, Dennehy, and Glenn have players bradishing guns downtown? Did they have a player on trial for murder? Did they have players robbing and pistol-whipping an individual? Trumaine obvioused has not learned from his suspension, based upon what I witnessed from him in yesterday's game. How can you attempt to equate some fight at Stocks in a previous era to the repeated criminal activities which have surrounded Bobby's program? This is apples and oranges, as far as I am concerned.

To answer your question in a way yes. There was a gun incident at a party the fall Donovan was fired, but it was never reported to the police or press. Under Read, there was a big incident out at Freddy's that was never brought to anybodies attention other then the team and staff. Your missing my point. Yes, the Griz have had the their share of bad situations, but you are mistaken if you believe it all falls at the feet of Bobby.

[tampa_griz]

Stupid thread. I read an argument that lauded a team because they "handled things internally" and chastised another for a "cover-up". You gotta be a real ​ to do that.

[tampa_griz]

Trumaine was benched after his 2nd PF today. Nice guy..................

How many back-to-back PFs did D'Alba have against Dixie before Ash benched him? Serious question.

[Potomac Griz]

I do not have an agenda. I have eyes and ears, and can see the immature antics of this kid on the field, and can listen to friends of mine, who I trust much more than your feelings toward this kid. You are just like so many "fans" who refuse to admit that we have recruited some kids of questionable character. If you think that it is O.K. for our players to thug-beat an unconscious kid lying on the ground, flash gang signals after a big play, and get multiple personal fouls for taunting opponents, then you and I will just have to disagree. I stand firmly behind my statement about his downtown demeanor, as it was shared with me several times before this beating incident even was made public.

Quit playing the victum role with this kid.

Are you serious? You are seriously going to say that he was "flashing gang signals"? For ****** sake...it's become pretty obvious you do have an agenda, just like that racist prick Azgriz/Hairy Bear/Wolfman over on Egriz who made a very nasty comment about black people in general before he was outed (yet again) on eGriz. Anyone that has any brain cells left knows that the sign has absolutely nothing to do with gangs...

The assumption that the hand gesture he made is a gang sign is just pathetically stupid. This ranks right up there with some of the the idiotic Griz fans (yeah, I know we have some) who were all bent out of shape about the Cat players having hats on backwards and stuff like that during the player intros on TV and calling them thugs and gang members..

About the only thing I can agree with you on, is that the excessive celebration crap needs to stop. It's getting penalties..and players need to act like they've been there before, and not do that crap when a good play has been made. That being said... I still can't believe you went that direction with your post... saying that what Johnson did earlier was a gang sign...

Oh no, here are two people not from Montana making strange gestures with their hands that I don't recognize! Damn gang bangers Terrel Davis & Shannon Sharpe!



Oh ******! Hide the children! It's a member of the dreaded popcorn gang!!

[GrizinWashington]

GrizPlan is Azgriz/Hairy Bear/Wolfman. Ignore him. He'll be banned -- again -- soon.

[AlphaGriz1]

Anyone trying to defend a player making hand gestures with his fingers the way TJ did is simply out of his mind and people shouldnt fire a synapse in responding to such idiocy.

Gangs do this, its their thing and any emulation of said hand gesture is a direct result of trying to "be cool" like a gangbanger. There isnt any VALID excuse for such a thing on football fields anywhere in the world.

[grizgirl]

Anyone trying to defend a player making hand gestures with his fingers the way TJ did is simply out of his mind and people shouldnt fire a synapse in responding to such idiocy.

Gangs do this, its their thing and any emulation of said hand gesture is a direct result of trying to "be cool" like a gangbanger. There isnt any VALID excuse for such a thing on football fields anywhere in the world.

Exactly. There are many college football players who are members of gangs. Even in the Big Sky Conf. It's not hard to figure out who they are, because a lot of them flash signs. Just because they are in gangs doesn't mean they've done anything real bad. There are also people who think it's cool to flash hand signs, but typically doing that means you are in a gang or just too stupid to realize you just made people think you might be in a gang. I think it's incredibly stupid to flash a gangster-style hand sign in front of 25,000 people or when your picture is being taken. It's as if you either are in a gang or you want people to think you are. I guess if someone asks TJ if he's in a gang, he'll say no. I guess if someone asks him if he's stupid, he'll say to no to that, too. Just days after TJ gets blasted by the Kaiman for ganging up on a kid and beating him senseless, he flashes signs in Wa-Griz and gets two personal fouls. Brilliant! The whole thing stinks.

[jagur1]

Anyone trying to defend a player making hand gestures with his fingers the way TJ did is simply out of his mind and people shouldnt fire a synapse in responding to such idiocy.

Gangs do this, its their thing and any emulation of said hand gesture is a direct result of trying to "be cool" like a gangbanger. There isnt any VALID excuse for such a thing on football fields anywhere in the world.

Exactly. There are many college football players who are members of gangs. Even in the Big Sky Conf. It's not hard to figure out who they are, because a lot of them flash signs. Just because they are in gangs doesn't mean they've done anything real bad. There are also people who think it's cool to flash hand signs, but typically doing that means you are in a gang or just too stupid to realize you just made people think you might be in a gang. I think it's incredibly stupid to flash a gangster-style hand sign in front of 25,000 people or when your picture is being taken. It's as if you either are in a gang or you want people to think you are. I guess if someone asks TJ if he's in a gang, he'll say no. I guess if someone asks him if he's stupid, he'll say to no to that, too. Just days after TJ gets blasted by the Kaiman for ganging up on a kid and beating him senseless, he flashes signs in Wa-Griz and gets two personal fouls. Brilliant! The whole thing stinks.

Thanks Alpha I mean Grizgirl.

[Grizplan]

Dexter, you must live in Montana, and have never been out of the state. If you think flashing the "West Coast Hand Signal" is not related to gang activity, you are either too isolated from the real world, or just in denial.

I live in Southern California, and think I know a bit more about this topic than some guy from Montana whose thinks a trip to Spokane is a big deal.

You are typical of so many sports fans, and not just Griz fans, who want to condone the thug actions of college football players just because they are great athletes and help their team win. I am quite sure that you would not have a problem if the Montana football program became the Miami Hurricanes of FCS football....... winning alot of games, but having a roster that more resembled a prison football team than a bunch of college kids.

Are you proud of the fact that the state of Montana was featured on a Sportscenter segment a year ago for having so many criminal incidents, including murder, commited by their two FSC football programs? Or, do you even give a sh*t about what the rest of the nation thinks about Montana? Bobby wins, right? That spercedes everything else. Oh, I must have had a brain fart and forgot that key detail.

[AlphaGriz1]

Anyone trying to defend a player making hand gestures with his fingers the way TJ did is simply out of his mind and people shouldnt fire a synapse in responding to such idiocy.

Gangs do this, its their thing and any emulation of said hand gesture is a direct result of trying to "be cool" like a gangbanger. There isnt any VALID excuse for such a thing on football fields anywhere in the world.

Exactly. There are many college football players who are members of gangs. Even in the Big Sky Conf. It's not hard to figure out who they are, because a lot of them flash signs. Just because they are in gangs doesn't mean they've done anything real bad. There are also people who think it's cool to flash hand signs, but typically doing that means you are in a gang or just too stupid to realize you just made people think you might be in a gang. I think it's incredibly stupid to flash a gangster-style hand sign in front of 25,000 people or when your picture is being taken. It's as if you either are in a gang or you want people to think you are. I guess if someone asks TJ if he's in a gang, he'll say no. I guess if someone asks him if he's stupid, he'll say to no to that, too. Just days after TJ gets blasted by the Kaiman for ganging up on a kid and beating him senseless, he flashes signs in Wa-Griz and gets two personal fouls. Brilliant! The whole thing stinks.

Thanks Alpha I mean Grizgirl.

Your welcome (my guy voice), I mean your welcome(girl voice)

[wbtfg]

IMO, Everyone has the right to get their butt kicked. They also have the right to press charges, if they refuse to do so then that's their fault, and if charges are not pressed then there is no reason to cover anything up.

It sounds like the kid and dad are big time jock sniffers so perhaps it was seen as a family honor to get curb stomped by the starting secondary.

That said, Bobby cussing out a college newspaper reporter is (at best) inappropriate.

[AlphaGriz1]

The kids dad is a good guy.

[wbtfg]

The kids dad is a good guy.

I believe it...