Pathetic

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:23 pm

Perhaps people can stop putting these slimy football players on a pedestal.
So many people in this town speak of football players as if they are a big deal, and while I know plenty of footballers who are good guys, there are plenty that could care less how much they embarrass this university and city.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:24 pm

In regards to Hello Kitty's post, above, and the last one, just above - Krames can only hope that either institution makes him an offer at this point. Krames' contract expires at the end of the month.

badasscat · Post by **badasscat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:26 pm

GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".

After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:35 pm

kstack wrote:Perhaps people can stop putting these slimy football players on a pedestal.
So many people in this town speak of football players as if they are a big deal, and while I know plenty of footballers who are good guys, there are plenty that could care less how much they embarrass this university and city.

When I was in school (77-82) the only time I "liked" most of the football players was during games. During the week it seemed like most went out their way to be assholes. I guess you could say I was cheering for the institution, the helmets and the uniforms.

It was either in the late 70's or early 80's that one of our linebackers was arrested and convicted of running a drug operation so, this has happened before.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:37 pm

I'm one of the rare Griz fans who really, truly likes Mike Kramer. I know him personally and he coached me. I also believe he is a very good football coach. But I agree with the majority of the posters here. The news out of the program this year has been unacceptable. With 90 college aged men, a few isolated problems are to be expected. But I think things have gone beyond that MSU. Is it Kramer's fault? Perhaps not. But he's the head guy, and it's ALWAYS the head guy's fault. MSU needs to take a serious look at the quality of people they are recruiting to be student-athletes.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:38 pm

Well ... at least it's not a coach this time.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:39 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Well ... at least it's not a coach this time.

You GOTTA love that!

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:41 pm

Yeah, I don't want to really say too much before we know the facts for sure. I hate speculation. And I think the majority of the guys on the team are pretty good. And we are definately not the only school to have dumbasses, this happens in lots of places. But it doesn't make it right. Leblanc is a great example. He gets suspended, supposedly for steroids, everybody is disappointed. Then he comes back and so many people welcome him back with open arms (I wasn't one of them). Then he shows his true self and punches that guy in the Appalachian game and generally acts like an idiot and disrepects his university. I love Montana State, and Bozeman, but I hate seeing students with scholarships (which they don't deserve and could probably care less about in the first place) run around this town like they own it and deface the institution. I would rather see a 0-11 team with great guys than what we have now. And I know there will always be bad apples, but isn't this getting excessive? Sorry for the rant folks.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:41 pm

GrizinWashington wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:Well ... at least it's not a coach this time.
You GOTTA love that!

yank fullers scholorship

felony drug charges = serious buisness.

also somthing about being linked to the murder that occured earlier?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:43 pm

badasscat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".
After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.

You must be kidding..............one current player allegedly involved. Fullers' career may well be done, but it won't affect what happens to Kramer one way or the other.

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:43 pm

kstack wrote:Yeah, I don't want to really say too much before we know the facts for sure. I hate speculation. And I think the majority of the guys on the team are pretty good. And we are definately not the only school to have dumbasses, this happens in lots of places. But it doesn't make it right. Leblanc is a great example. He gets suspended, supposedly for steroids, everybody is disappointed. Then he comes back and so many people welcome him back with open arms (I wasn't one of them). Then he shows his true self and punches that guy in the Appalachian game and generally acts like an idiot and disrepects his university. I love Montana State, and Bozeman, but I hate seeing students with scholarships (which they don't deserve and could probably care less about in the first place) run around this town like they own it and deface the institution. I would rather see a 0-11 team with great guys than what we have now. And I know there will always be bad apples, but isn't this getting excessive? Sorry for the rant folks.

Well ranted!

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:44 pm

vike_king wrote:
kstack wrote:Perhaps people can stop putting these slimy football players on a pedestal.
So many people in this town speak of football players as if they are a big deal, and while I know plenty of footballers who are good guys, there are plenty that could care less how much they embarrass this university and city.
When I was in school (77-82) the only time I "liked" most of the football players was during games. During the week it seemed like most went out their way to be assholes. I guess you could say I was cheering for the institution, the helmets and the uniforms.

It was either in the late 70's or early 80's that one of our linebackers was arrested and convicted of running a drug operation so, this has happened before.

One of the reasons Graber, [ahem] resigned. The subject LB got to spend some time in Deerlodge.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:45 pm

GOKATS wrote:
badasscat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".
After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.
You must be kidding..............one current player allegedly involved. Fullers' career may well be done, but it won't affect what happens to Kramer one way or the other.

i will be very upset if this does not happen. way two many incidents like this for my taste. i will be very upset if i see him lining up to play FB for the cats next fall.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:53 pm

The surprising thing to me is how these guys seem to hang around Bozeman long after their playing careers are over. I don't suspect they're finishing up degrees or anything. Lebrum and Miller were long off the teams when the murder happened-Lebrum never even suited up I believe. Eddie Sullivan? His career ended 2 seasons ago. And I'm not sure, but I don't think Davis ever played either. Fuller is the exception-and if guilty of the charges will be gone.

I don't have any problem with former MSU athletes staying in town after their playing days...as long as they're not into the kind of stuff they're being accused of.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:53 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
badasscat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".
After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.
You must be kidding..............one current player allegedly involved. Fullers' career may well be done, but it won't affect what happens to Kramer one way or the other.
i will be very upset if this does not happen. way two many incidents like this for my taste. i will be very upset if i see him lining up to play FB for the cats next fall.

I was being extremely generous with the 'innocent until proven guilty' bit.

I actually have more of a "Hang 'Em High" mind set when it comes to felony charges.

badasscat · Post by **badasscat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:53 pm

GOKATS wrote:
badasscat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".
After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.
You must be kidding..............one current player allegedly involved. Fullers' career may well be done, but it won't affect what happens to Kramer one way or the other.

Let's add it up, O'brien, Lebrum, Davis x3, Sullivan, Fuller, as well as a couple other incidents thrown in there. I'd say there's a good chance that his days at MSU are numbered.

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:57 pm

Eddie Sullivan was finishing up his degree here, but yeah, I agree with the curiosity as to why so many guys hang around. Maybe their sick minds feel like they can get away with it in a town like this, but obvioulsy it's the opposite.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:00 pm

GOKATS wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
badasscat wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Helcat72 wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Bozgriz wrote:Not intended to be smack...Does this affect Kramer's Idaho job posturing?
I seriously doubt it, if this ****** can happen in Bozeman, it can happen anywhere.
How does it affect us getting a new coach!
As of this time we don't need one. On the same news show Kramer said he had talked to UI this afternoon, he had not received an on campus invite, and wasn't sure where they were in the process. He did say that regardless of the outcome "it's a win-win situation for Mike Kramer".
After this deal Kramer may not have a job period. "Win win" I don't think so.
You must be kidding..............one current player allegedly involved. Fullers' career may well be done, but it won't affect what happens to Kramer one way or the other.
i will be very upset if this does not happen. way two many incidents like this for my taste. i will be very upset if i see him lining up to play FB for the cats next fall.
I was being extremely generous with the 'innocent until proven guilty' bit.

I actually have more of a "Hang 'Em High" mind set when it comes to felony charges.

look...i have no idea how i will react if i hear about anything like this again...

bobcatbob · Post by **bobcatbob** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:03 pm

It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.

bobcatbob · Post by **bobcatbob** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:17 pm

Coach Kramer talked about this very subject at the Coaches Corner last week. He talked about how since the O'Brien case and the most recent murder case how much they talk about this and educate these guys on this subject. It is something that they devote an enormous amount of effort to. But, he pointed out that they are college kids and often do not make good decisons. That they make mistakes like college kids do. He mentioned how they have changed how they look at potential recruits and how careful they are. The pressure has been brutal in this area on the coaches and the players. He said every morning he wakes up he fears that something like this happened the previous night.

For the coaches and the University it's their worst nightmare! This is totally sad!