Who are the Montana Kids that will play for the Cats?

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:36 am

blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:41 am

Force was another walkon

canyoncat · Post by **canyoncat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:55 am

Out of Helena, I hope offers are made to Bignell (I am sure there is and that he will probably come), Colton Shirley (Heard that Nebraska is giving him some serious looks) and Hustad out of Helena High (but also have heard he is more than likely heading to the PAC-10).

I also hope the kid out of Kalispell is offered, I think he plays DL.

Either way I am sure we will have a very good class to look forward to.

GO CATS!!!

Grizcat · Post by **Grizcat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:59 am

Sherley is more impressive than Bignell right now, but Bignell probably has a higher ceiling. Hustad is a good one as well. Ogden is good, but I think Big Sky is as high as he can play. Smith from Belgrade is a good one too. Billings West has a good OL name Quizenberry who's a big strong one too.

bcats · Post by **bcats** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:16 pm

This might be a long shot but I know that Clark Cranford out of Huntley Project would look very good in an MSU Bobcat uniform. He is a great athlete who played QB and hit like a truck on Defense. I think he would make a great strong safety or DB for the Cats. I have heard that he is a Mormon and might take off for two years. All I know is he is the best skill position guy I have seen this year.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:43 pm

Grizcat wrote:Sherley is more impressive than Bignell right now, but Bignell probably has a higher ceiling. Hustad is a good one as well. Ogden is good, but I think Big Sky is as high as he can play. Smith from Belgrade is a good one too. Billings West has a good OL name Quizenberry who's a big strong one too.

Bignell was hurt almost all season. He was just geting helathy in West game. He missed 3-4 games.

drider64 · Post by **drider64** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:59 pm

Most of the recruiting is done well ahead of the endo of the season. They and the players know before football starts who is wanted and where they will end up. With me being the father of one of the recruits, I know what a very unique process this recruiting business is. Luckily I got a chance to meet and watch most of the senior recruits play this year. Based on what I witnessed, the Cats should have a great incoming freshman class.

Post by **rtb** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:01 pm

drider64 wrote:Most of the recruiting is done well ahead of the endo of the season. They and the players know before football starts who is wanted and where they will end up. With me being the father of one of the recruits, I know what a very unique process this recruiting business is. Luckily I got a chance to meet and watch most of the senior recruits play this year. Based on what I witnessed, the Cats should have a great incoming freshman class.

Good news if that class includes your son!

I know you probably can't comment and neither can the cats, but if Dan is putting on the Blue and Gold soon that is great news!

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:45 pm

barechestcat wrote:
blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?

I am absolutely not saying Daly missed any boat. Kramer should give these talented kids money to play without having to walk on. Maybe Kramer is missing the boat not going for talented younger players.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:52 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?
I am absolutely not saying Daly missed any boat. Kramer should give these talented kids money to play without having to walk on. Maybe
Kramer is missing the boat not going for talented younger players.

if kramer missed the boat on Daly so did hauch, van diest, green, McBride, Wulff, Souers, well you pretty much get the point...lol

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:09 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?
I am absolutely not saying Daly missed any boat. Kramer should give these talented kids money to play without having to walk on. Maybe
Kramer is missing the boat not going for talented younger players.
if kramer missed the boat on Daly so did hauch, van diest, green, McBride, Wulff, Souers, well you pretty much get the point...lol

I still think Daly shouldn't have had to walk on. I wonder how many other great players he missed???

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:09 pm

bobcatmaniac wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?
I am absolutely not saying Daly missed any boat. Kramer should give these talented kids money to play without having to walk on. Maybe
Kramer is missing the boat not going for talented younger players.
if kramer missed the boat on Daly so did hauch, van diest, green, McBride, Wulff, Souers, well you pretty much get the point...lol
I still think Daly shouldn't have had to walk on. I wonder how many other great players he missed???

Discuss it with the NCAA. There are only so many schollies to go around in a given year and Kramer doesn't do near as many partials as hauck does. I don't know the numbers, but I think the 'Cats have several more schollies available this year than the griz do.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:54 am

bobcatmaniac wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
bobcatmaniac wrote:
barechestcat wrote:
blueandgoldforever wrote:Agree 100%. We need kids who will be here for more than one year. Granted, Wheaton and Jefferson were good, but it does nothing for our team to have people here one year then out. Lets get them for four. On that note, was Daly a walk-on last year or was he given some money. If he was a walk-on, Kramer is really missing the boat.

How is he missing the boat? He's here and leading the team in tackles isn't he?
Do you suppose he chose to walk on with us and forego a scholarship at another PCS school?
I am absolutely not saying Daly missed any boat. Kramer should give these talented kids money to play without having to walk on. Maybe
Kramer is missing the boat not going for talented younger players.
if kramer missed the boat on Daly so did hauch, van diest, green, McBride, Wulff, Souers, well you pretty much get the point...lol
I still think Daly shouldn't have had to walk on. I wonder how many other great players he missed???

I think Kramer and every other coach would admit there are always mistakes made. There are players not given scholarships who deserved one and vice-versa. That is why they practice and play games. Kramer obviously thought Daly was talented enought to play but needed to come and prove himself worthy of a scholarship. Look at Casey Fitzsimmons. I think everyone agrees he could have played at the I-AA level.

1BadBobcat · Post by **1BadBobcat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:10 pm

From what I understand, Daly wasn't given much of a look after high school. His stats from his playing days were good, but nothing that would have ever tanslated into what he has done with Cats. I heard he had talked with Kramer and was asked if he would walk-on. I also heard that Hauck or UM had absolutely no interest or talks with him. Sometimes a kid who performs just ok at high school can really blossom in college in a new system and with new leadership. This is probably what happened with Bobby.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:20 pm

Recruiting, drafting isn't an exact science. Why do you think so many No. 1 picks flop in the NFL, while FAs become All-Pro. The NFL spends millions on scouting and the draft and they are still far from perfect. How do you expect a I-AA team to have it wired better than the NFL. Hindsight is 20-20. The other factor is that certain players just don't fit or get the opportunites is one system that would in another. Casy Ftizsimmons may have only palyed a year or two or not at all at UM and MSU. The stars have to aligned. Tom Brady was the 199th player taken for one year, now he's in the top 10 players in the NFL. Had he gone to another team that had a different system, he might be out of football today.

couloir41 · Post by **couloir41** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:24 pm

this thread kind of baffles me...

from the postings you would get the idea that our coaching staff is totally inept when it comes to locating...analyzing...evaluating...contacting...arranging interviews and all else that goes with signing a great athlete...not to mention how to get the most bang for the athletic scholarship buck and greyshirt offers...

i have news for you...they are doing a pretty darn good job...we have more depth at every position than we have ever had at msu...period...addittionally...i have not seen a post where anyone has made a point to identify a recruiting error by this staff...(based on fact)...that benefitted another team...(at least that i can recall)...

but if this thread is soley for conversation then i stand corrected....

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:43 pm

couloir41 wrote:this thread kind of baffles me...

from the postings you would get the idea that our coaching staff is totally inept when it comes to locating...analyzing...evaluating...contacting...arranging interviews and all else that goes with signing a great athlete...not to mention how to get the most bang for the athletic scholarship buck and greyshirt offers...

i have news for you...they are doing a pretty darn good job...we have more depth at every position than we have ever had at msu...period...addittionally...i have not seen a post where anyone has made a point to identify a recruiting error by this staff...(based on fact)...that benefitted another team...(at least that i can recall)...

but if this thread is soley for conversation then i stand corrected....

I agree 100%--give them a break. If we are going to get down on the coaches for the Bobby Daly's that didn't receive a scholarship right out of high school we better really praise them for the Travis Lulay's that did.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:58 pm

LTown Cat wrote:
couloir41 wrote:this thread kind of baffles me...

from the postings you would get the idea that our coaching staff is totally inept when it comes to locating...analyzing...evaluating...contacting...arranging interviews and all else that goes with signing a great athlete...not to mention how to get the most bang for the athletic scholarship buck and greyshirt offers...

i have news for you...they are doing a pretty darn good job...we have more depth at every position than we have ever had at msu...period...addittionally...i have not seen a post where anyone has made a point to identify a recruiting error by this staff...(based on fact)...that benefitted another team...(at least that i can recall)...

but if this thread is soley for conversation then i stand corrected....
I agree 100%--give them a break. If we are going to get down on the coaches for the Bobby Daly's that didn't receive a scholarship right out of high school we better really praise them for the Travis Lulay's that did.

Exactly. Recruiting and talent are the least of our worries. That's one area I think the coaches have wired.

DaCats Forever · Post by **DaCats Forever** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:12 pm

couloir41 wrote:this thread kind of baffles me...

from the postings you would get the idea that our coaching staff is totally inept when it comes to locating...analyzing...evaluating...contacting...arranging interviews and all else that goes with signing a great athlete...not to mention how to get the most bang for the athletic scholarship buck and greyshirt offers...

i have news for you...they are doing a pretty darn good job...we have more depth at every position than we have ever had at msu...period...addittionally...i have not seen a post where anyone has made a point to identify a recruiting error by this staff...(based on fact)...that benefitted another team...(at least that i can recall)...

but if this thread is soley for conversation then i stand corrected....

It blows my mind that there are complaints about Kramer's recruiting. I can understand complaints about his game management/coaching style (i.e roll punting), but to complain about that talent that he has brought in that has been tremendous is, to use couloirs thread, baffling. It has been the backbone in the turnaround of this program. It's not like Kramer has completely given up on Montana recruits. We recieve mulitiple commitments every year from Montana recruits, but sometimes the talent just isn't here in the state and it makes sense to do heavier recruiting from outside the state.

Personally I've never had a problem with dropdown receivers, they are more polished usually (if they're JC transfers they have played for 2 years) and not in a system that fits they're talents. You need 4 quality receivers on your roster at all time no matter what level and this is just an easy "quck" fix as it's hard to convince any receiver that they're not good enough to make it to the NFL. They all want to go to major programs and use I-AA as a last resort.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:28 pm

These recruits have to prove themselves academically as well as athletically. With the NCAA handing out penalties to schools who don't graduate kids you don't want to pay money and then get penalized on top of it.

Kramer likes to have kids who might be able to play, and he knows would come to MSU, and don't have any other money offers to walk on and prove themselves. This is what happened to Daly. He was projected as a DE. Later they found out he had LB skills. He didn't mind giving him a full ride when he got decent grades and proved he was a player. They didn't see it from highschool. In any event Bobby was going to go to MSU because his dad did. He wasn't happy about walking on....but there was no other place he was going...He's a Bobcat!

The blue chippers who have other offers have to be given some money. In any case Kramer doesn't like to give partials if he doesn't have to. Sometimes he has to because the kid needs it, or someone else is offering money....or maybe UM is asking the kid to walk on.

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