Choate 2.0

[GoldstoneCat]

No thanks. I've maintained for awhile now that pretty much every hire this century has been the right one at the right time for the program. Choate would absolutely be the wrong hire now. We need a CEO, and a person who can maintain the culture and identity on both sides of the ball, not one to come in and give it a hard reset.

[FTG_1984]

Yes. Choate is the reason we are in the golden era of Bobcat football right now.

[RangeRider]

This thread is dumb. Obviously not much else to talk about after yesterday.

[BobcatOninetails]

No thanks. I've maintained for awhile now that pretty much every hire this century has been the right one at the right time for the program. Choate would absolutely be the wrong hire now. We need a CEO, and a person who can maintain the culture and identity on both sides of the ball, not one to come in and give it a hard reset.

I agree with this sentiment 100%. It is also why I don’t understand what seems to be a somewhat prevalent sentiment on this board to make an ex Bobcat player our next coach. We don’t need someone who has not proven at all that they are ready to be the next HC, the next HC. Hiring great HC prospects outside the system has worked great this century. I’m sure there are plenty of proven candidates who didn’t wear the blue and gold that would maintain the level of success we are having and maybe even take us to the very top. I’m not at all sure any ex-Cats, either on the staff now or formerly, are in that mix. On the field accomplishments are one thing. Running the program is quite another. Let my crucifixion begin.

[ZebraCat]

No thanks. I've maintained for awhile now that pretty much every hire this century has been the right one at the right time for the program. Choate would absolutely be the wrong hire now. We need a CEO, and a person who can maintain the culture and identity on both sides of the ball, not one to come in and give it a hard reset.

I agree with this sentiment 100%. It is also why I don’t understand what seems to be a somewhat prevalent sentiment on this board to make an ex Bobcat player our next coach. We don’t need someone who has not proven at all that they are ready to be the next HC, the next HC. Hiring great HC prospects outside the system has worked great this century. I’m sure there are plenty of proven candidates who didn’t wear the blue and gold that would maintain the level of success we are having and maybe even take us to the very top. I’m not at all sure any ex-Cats, either on the staff now or formerly, are in that mix. On the field accomplishments are one thing. Running the program is quite another. Let my crucifixion begin.

What's your argument against Bobby Daly? He was with Vigen his first 4 seasons at MSU. He's part of the Vigen coaching tree and has seen first hand what this era of Bobcat football is all about.

[MSU01]

No thanks. I've maintained for awhile now that pretty much every hire this century has been the right one at the right time for the program. Choate would absolutely be the wrong hire now. We need a CEO, and a person who can maintain the culture and identity on both sides of the ball, not one to come in and give it a hard reset.

I agree with this sentiment 100%. It is also why I don’t understand what seems to be a somewhat prevalent sentiment on this board to make an ex Bobcat player our next coach. We don’t need someone who has not proven at all that they are ready to be the next HC, the next HC. Hiring great HC prospects outside the system has worked great this century. I’m sure there are plenty of proven candidates who didn’t wear the blue and gold that would maintain the level of success we are having and maybe even take us to the very top. I’m not at all sure any ex-Cats, either on the staff now or formerly, are in that mix. On the field accomplishments are one thing. Running the program is quite another. Let my crucifixion begin.

A well-run coaching search should consider all candidates, both those with previous ties to the school as well as outside candidates. Fans on message boards will always tend to gravitate towards candidates we already know well, which tend to be ex-players or coaches who have previously spent time at MSU.

Choate and Vigen were both fantastic hires who didn't have any prior connection to MSU, but I can think of a recent notable coaching hire of a former Bobcat player with no head coaching experience in another sport that worked out pretty damn well. It can absolutely work both ways but each search will have its unique opportunities based on who's available and what the program needs at that time.

[grizzh8r]

No thanks. I've maintained for awhile now that pretty much every hire this century has been the right one at the right time for the program. Choate would absolutely be the wrong hire now. We need a CEO, and a person who can maintain the culture and identity on both sides of the ball, not one to come in and give it a hard reset.

I agree with this sentiment 100%. It is also why I don’t understand what seems to be a somewhat prevalent sentiment on this board to make an ex Bobcat player our next coach. We don’t need someone who has not proven at all that they are ready to be the next HC, the next HC. Hiring great HC prospects outside the system has worked great this century. I’m sure there are plenty of proven candidates who didn’t wear the blue and gold that would maintain the level of success we are having and maybe even take us to the very top. I’m not at all sure any ex-Cats, either on the staff now or formerly, are in that mix. On the field accomplishments are one thing. Running the program is quite another. Let my crucifixion begin.

No argument here. If the guy can coach and run a program similar to how Vigen has thus far, I'm all for it. Doesn't have to be a former Bobcat. That's just icing on the cake.

[GoCats18]

The main reason I brought this up is that Hauck is a prime example of someone that left, failed at UNLV, but came back and was in the title game two years ago and currently undefeated. I never thought he would end up back in Missoula but he did and the are probably lucky it was him.

[coloradocat]

The difference is that Missoula is where he always belonged and the team had fallen off recently and was glad to have the opportunity to bring him back in an attempt to return to the glory days. MSU has exceeded what Choate did while he was here and is at the peak (and still rising) glory days. Choate wouldn't be a return to greatness as Bobbi was, he'd be a step back down the ladder. Almost everyone remembers the Choate years fondly but almost no one wants to return to them.

[Cataholic]

I would love to get Gregorak in a bar and buy him a couple of drinks for stories about Choate and Hauck. He has a rare perspective of coaching for both of them. I am guessing he could provide a fascinating profile of the two guys.

[lutecat]

I would love to get Gregorak in a bar and buy him a couple of drinks for stories about Choate and Hauck. He has a rare perspective of coaching for both of them. I am guessing he could provide a fascinating profile of the two guys.

If you read between the lines, he either has a really good poker face, or he's down on Choate and a little higher on Bobby bit still not buddies. He seems to think the most highly of Vigen. Again thats listening to podcasts and trying to gain insight through his tone of voice and inflection. Could totally be seeing something thats not there.

[allcat]

I would love to get Gregorak in a bar and buy him a couple of drinks for stories about Choate and Hauck. He has a rare perspective of coaching for both of them. I am guessing he could provide a fascinating profile of the two guys.

If you read between the lines, he either has a really good poker face, or he's down on Choate and a little higher on Bobby bit still not buddies. He seems to think the most highly of Vigen. Again thats listening to podcasts and trying to gain insight through his tone of voice and inflection. Could totally be seeing something thats not there.

You're between the lines and mine are different. I don't know about Choate but Everything I've heard him say about Hauck has been good, he always says they are friends and speaks highly of him.

[mslacatfan]

Choate was phenomenal when he was here, really helped build the program back up…. But he would be a significant step backwards at this point.

[91catAlum]

Choate was phenomenal when he was here, really helped build the program back up…. But he would be a significant step backwards at this point.

I'm not sure about that. Different situations. Choate came to Bozeman and got a program basically in shambles, and in 4 years rebuilt it into MSU's first semi final team in 36 years. Vigen has taken it 1 step further and got us to Frisco. But Choate had a much, much heavier lift.

I'd hate to lose Vigen but if/when he moves on, I'd certainly put Choate in my list of candidates to interview, if he applied.

[Long Time Cat]

Choate is barely hanging on to his job at Nevada (1-7) with his only win over suck state in his second year. Eck has New Mexico bowl eligible (6-3)in his first year. Not sure how these relate but it doesn't make me want Choate back real bad.

[catatac]

I would love to get Gregorak in a bar and buy him a couple of drinks for stories about Choate and Hauck. He has a rare perspective of coaching for both of them. I am guessing he could provide a fascinating profile of the two guys.

If you read between the lines, he either has a really good poker face, or he's down on Choate and a little higher on Bobby bit still not buddies. He seems to think the most highly of Vigen. Again thats listening to podcasts and trying to gain insight through his tone of voice and inflection. Could totally be seeing something thats not there.

You're between the lines and mine are different. I don't know about Choate but Everything I've heard him say about Hauck has been good, he always says they are friends and speaks highly of him.

That's what he says in public.

[RedClowder]

We can’t hire Choate back for the singular reason that he quipped about the return of the “prodigal son” when Bobby Hauck came back to UM. We will get clowned on if we bring him back and don’t sustain the same level of success, which isn’t guaranteed now and the s difficult as it is.

Choate was an awesome coach for what the program needed at that time. I much prefer Brent Vigen, I think he is a consummate professional representing MSU and we’re lucky to have him for now. I honestly think he’ll stick around till he gets the all time wins record for a coach at MSU, which is 70 in 7 years and currently held by Rob Ash, of my memory serves.

[GoldstoneCat]

Choate was phenomenal when he was here, really helped build the program back up…. But he would be a significant step backwards at this point.

I'm not sure about that. Different situations. Choate came to Bozeman and got a program basically in shambles, and in 4 years rebuilt it into MSU's first semi final team in 36 years. Vigen has taken it 1 step further and got us to Frisco. But Choate had a much, much heavier lift.

I'd hate to lose Vigen but if/when he moves on, I'd certainly put Choate in my list of candidates to interview, if he applied.

Choate is a good recruiter and a good hype man. Probably has some strong defensive principles. But he rode a generational player his final 2 years here, full stop. He's made Nevada a worse football program. I think he's a lousy head coach for the portal era, where you need a strong CEO type of head coach that trusts and empowers his assistant coaches and coordinators. No. Thank. You.

[coloradocat]

I bet Choate could land a game changing gift. Get it together Vigen.

[MrGoodKat]

I’m not a fan of running it back with a previous coach.

But whoever the next guy is, priority 1A needs to be that he can continue to dominate the in state recruiting battle.