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Post by catsrback76 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:14 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Being the patriotic sort I am, I am going to hold out for a prophecy from an American before I determine my views on the whole thing. As soon as Punxsutawney Phil weighs in on the topic, I will begin to analyze the situation effectively.
BAC your skeptics heart is fun. :D

You certainly don't have to take a "biblical" prophesy given from a resurrected Lord as anything to base history on. All you need to do is trust in the inherent goodness of "mans heart". :)

I'm sure it will all just kinda work out if we "give the world a coke and sing in perfect harmony."



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Post by SonomaCat » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:54 pm

I can only hope that no countries' foreign policy decisions are actually guided by the prophecies of any of the seers noted above. As long as that remains true, it's all good. :D



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Post by briannell » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:41 pm

As soon as Punxsutawney Phil weighs in on the topic, I will begin to analyze the situation effectively.
don't agree with brad here, but cute comment :D


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Post by ChiOCat » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:26 am

I have a hard time feeling bad for the Palestinians. Yet I see no good outcome in the Middle East, no matter who's in power. There is a biblical hatred involved.

I loved the book The Exodus, but it my have tainted my judgement of the whole situation. I really cannot understand why they cannot all co-exist. Then again, many Arabs do not want to co-exist with us, oceans away.


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Post by catsrback76 » Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:31 am

Anger, bitterness, hatred and envy are ugly no matter where you find them. Give them thousands of years to fester and we see the ugliness of the human condition played out on the political stage of the middle east. Yuk.

Makes me want to make sure I don't have any of that same stuff against MY NEIGHBOR. :shock:



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Post by Bleedinbluengold » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:31 am

Interestingly enough, Hamas has quite a humanitarian side.

The #2 Hamas guy was interviewed on NPR this morning. He claimed that Hamas has more important things to take care of rather than sending another wave of suicide bombers into Israel. He said that the gross lack of morality in the West was because girls and boys go to school together. He said Hamas will begin segregating girls and boys in school as soon as possible.


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Post by SonomaCat » Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:33 am

Bleedinbluengold wrote:Interestingly enough, Hamas has quite a humanitarian side.

The #2 Hamas guy was interviewed on NPR this morning. He claimed that Hamas has more important things to take care of rather than sending another wave of suicide bombers into Israel. He said that the gross lack of morality in the West was because girls and boys go to school together. He said Hamas will begin segregating girls and boys in school as soon as possible.
Cripes. Hamas is going to turn Palestine into Saudi Arabia!



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Post by briannell » Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:58 pm

you think? I honestly didn't know the US was giving Aid to Palestine as we back Isreal 100% - seems odd that we would donate to a known terrorist state like Palestine.

Rice Says Allies Oppose Aid to Hamas Gov't
U.S. Secretary of State Rice Urges Other Nations to Cut Off Aid to Hamas-Led Palestinian Government
By ANNE GEARAN

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LONDON - The United States and its European allies have similar views about aid for a Hamas-led Palestinian government, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Monday as she tried to persuade other nations to cut off assistance to a government led by the hard-line group.

"Everybody is saying exactly the same thing," Rice said amid meetings with other diplomats on Hamas' startling election victory last week and its impact on Middle East peacemaking efforts. "There has got to be a peaceful road ahead. ... You cannot be on one hand dedicated to peace and on the other dedicated to violence. Those two things are irreconcilable."

Rice was meeting other members of the so-called Quartet of would-be Mideast peacemakers Monday. The group, which includes the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations, is already on record as saying "there is a fundamental contradiction between armed group and militia activities and the building of a democratic state."

"To say a Palestinian government must be committed to peace with Israel is at the core," Rice said. "You have to recognize Israel's right to exist."

Rice has ruled out any U.S. financial assistance to a government led by Hamas, which has carried out terrorist attacks against Israel and does not recognize its right to exist.

European Union foreign ministers on Monday called on Hamas to recognize the state of Israel, renounce violence and disarm. While EU officials are barred from contact with the Islamic militant group, which it considers a terrorist organization, the EU statement made clear that the EU would keep diplomatic channels open with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who is not a member of Hamas.

On Sunday, Rice said humanitarian help to the Palestinians, many of whom are poor and unemployed, is likely on a "case-by-case basis." She indicated that the administration would follow through on aid promised to the current, U.S.-backed Palestinian government led by Abbas.

In Gaza meanwhile, a Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, called on the international community to continue funding the Palestinian Authority.

"We assure you that all the revenues will be spent on salaries, daily life and infrastructure," he said at a news conference, addressing international concerns that aid would be used to fund violence.

Rice also will meet separately with other permanent members of the U.N. Security Council to discuss Iran and an upcoming vote on whether to refer the Tehran government to the council over its nuclear program.

Hamas, or the Islamic Resistance Movement, won a decisive majority in last week's Palestinian legislative elections. The group, which has political and militant wings, will now take a large role in governing the Palestinians. The makeup of the new government is not clear.

The Islamic militants, who carried out dozens of suicide bombings and seek Israel's destruction, have said they oppose peace talks and will not disarm. Israel refuses to deal with Hamas.

Hamas' unexpected electoral victory raised questions about the future of the peace process between the Palestinians and Israel, and how the United States can influence such efforts or help impoverished Palestinians.

"We're going to review all of our assistance programs, but the bedrock principle here is we can't have funding for an organization that holds those views just because it is in government," Rice said.

The U.S., Europe and Israel list Hamas as a terrorist organization; various Arab governments have contact with the group.

"It is important that Hamas now will have to confront the implications of its covenant if it wishes to govern," Rice said. "That becomes a primary consideration in anything that we do."

It is not clear that all European nations or the United Nations would cut off aid, let alone Arab governments that do not recognize Israel.

"I just think that anyone who is devoted to trying to bring Middle East peace between two states has an obligation now to make sure that anybody that is going to be supported is going to have that same" goal, Rice said.

U.S. aid is a small part of the $1.6 billion annual budget of the Palestinian Authority.

About $1 billion comes from overseas donors more than half of that from European nations. The rest is a mix of funds from international donor agencies, Arab and Asian governments, and the U.S., which gave $70 million in direct aid to the Palestinian Authority last year.

Separately, the U.S. spent $225 million for humanitarian projects through the U.S. Agency for International Development last year, and gave $88 million for refugee assistance.


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Post by ChiOCat » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:24 pm

As I told my oldest on our way into the gym today "you don't have to play with them if you don't want. But you do have to be nice and get along with them."


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Post by Bleedinbluengold » Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:50 pm

The Paletinian Authority is not a recognized terrorist group. They are recognized, but not to the same extent that a sovereign nation is.

If memory serves, Fatah acknowledged Israel's right to exist. This was a major bone of contention between Fatah and Hamas. Israel has always tried to link Hamas and Fatah, but I think the evidence suggest otherwise. I don't think the two groups would be killing each other right now if they were in cahoots.


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