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In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
I thought the greater number of cases was good, because that means the mortality rate is lower.
As with any widespread illness the CDC and WHO will have an estimated range of deaths and cases for the year or season.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
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In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
That is completely asinine, and ridiculous.
Agree completely. It goes beyond any form of common sense counting and reporting to do that. And the CDC is the experts on all this? Could have fooled me.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
I thought the greater number of cases was good, because that means the mortality rate is lower.
As with any widespread illness the CDC and WHO will have an estimated range of deaths and cases for the year or season.
I don’t think it is ever good to just assume someone is a positive case with no lab confirmation to prove it. Adding those to the case numbers seems foolish and irresponsible, and makes no sense.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
Wait wait wait, this isn’t the flu though remember? This is waaaay more scary and different and unpredictable according to you and others. Why are you comparing it to the flu here.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
A problem with increasing cases isn't just that they can lead to death, but they also lead to shortage of hospital beds, which leads to less than ideal healthcare.
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In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
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In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
So they weren't exhibiting covid-19 symptoms, but they were tested just in case and didn't have it. I don't see the problem here. If they were exhibiting covid-19 symtoms, then it would be safe to presume they had it would it not?
In Montana, I believe there is more going on than can be explained by an increase in testing. I am mainly basing this on the significant increase in the number of hospitalizations.
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
Again, many people doubting the CDC and other experts wanted the exposure numbers to be high just a couple months ago. Now that the CDC is saying they're higher, they're doubting it. Those people need to make up their mind or I'm just going to figure that if the CDC says the sky is blue, they'll question that too.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
So they weren't exhibiting covid-19 symptoms, but they were tested just in case and didn't have it. I don't see the problem here. If they were exhibiting covid-19 symtoms, then it would be safe to presume they had it would it not?
The word presume is just a different way of saying "we're not using any data and we're guessing." These guesses have the potential to shut down people's businesses and the football season. So yeah, I'd say it's a problem to base policy on someone's guess.
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There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
Again, many people doubting the CDC and other experts wanted the exposure numbers to be high just a couple months ago. Now that the CDC is saying they're higher, they're doubting it. Those people need to make up their mind or I'm just going to figure that if the CDC says the sky is blue, they'll question that too.
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What it comes down to is, would a person rather be right...or healthy. I would like to err on the side of caution being a septigenarian I would gladly skip a football season, all things being equal, to stay away from the virus. If there actually isn't a danger...but no one is SURE! Put me down for being a sniveling g liberal coward!
There’s been a significant increase in hospitalizations? In MT we are at 20 total hospitalized. Is that seriously a marked increase?
We are testing at a rate 800% higher than mid-April. That alone is going to lead to an uptick of cases. That rate of positives vs testing is still only around 4%, meaning we tested 1156 yesterday and only had 45 cases. That’s actually below 4%.
Here’s the latest kicker....this blows my mind....the CDC has asked all the states to count a positive case for anyone who tests positive for the actual virus as well as anyone who tests positive for antibodies (probably had the virus) as well as, and get this, any presumed case even without any evidence of a positive in a lab. You heard that right, they aren’t even getting a confirmed lab positive to mark down a positive case anymore, they are marking down a positive case for anyone “presumed” positive. That’s laughable at this point!
That means if you test positive for covid and someone who was around you suddenly wasn’t feeling well, they will count that person as a positive too completely based on presumption and without a confirmed lab positive case to back it up. You can’t make it up!
Why is that mind blowing? It works that way with any communicable disease. The 20,000 U.S. average seasonal flu deaths are an estimate and calculated in the same way. It's an extrapolation of the positive cases and deaths at a limited number of medical facilities.So, we are comparing apples to apples.
So, I head to the doctor because my entire family is not feeling well, and I get tested and come up positive for antibodies to CV19, and I mention to the doctor that my wife and kids... and my old man are all feeling under the weather too. Are we saying that doctor is supposed to record 6 cases of CV19, me and my wife, my three kids, and my dad? I honestly don't know how this all works.
You are exactly correct. When they do any covid tracing for a positive case, they have a survey and if anyone around that positive case didn’t feel well or had any symptoms, even with no lab result or confirmation, they chalk them up to a case as well for CDC reporting. Asinine and irresponsible.
Funny how no one is taking about the fact that daily deaths just hit back to back lows at 215 each of the last 2 days. 15,000 people died of something else the last 2 days in this country.
It's a pretty safe presumption (presumption doesn't mean 100% confirmed, it just means that it's probable) that if someone in your house has tested positive for a cold, flu, or covid and that others are presenting the same symptoms, then they probably have the same thing. So it's safe to presume they do.
A couple months ago people were claiming that there were hundreds of thousands of more cases of covid than being reported, yet now that those cases are being found via antibody tests and via presumption they disagree.
I personally know a family who got the virus. It only hit the father and his 2 kids and wife have not tested positive. That means 3 of the 4 have not contracted the virus. That’s why assumptions or presumptions aren’t ideal or responsible here.
Were they sick? Probably not, if they didn't test positive for covid. So if they weren't sick, then there's no reason to presume they had it and the example you're giving they didn't since they tested them and they didn't test positive.
Yes the two kids felt under the weather (placebo, knowing your dad has it, can be a powerful thing on anyone around the stick person) but tested negative. The CDC would chalk that up to 2 more positive cases if they didn’t have the state lab negative to counter it. Therein lies the problem and why I take issue with this irresponsible reporting.
Again, many people doubting the CDC and other experts wanted the exposure numbers to be high just a couple months ago. Now that the CDC is saying they're higher, they're doubting it. Those people need to make up their mind or I'm just going to figure that if the CDC says the sky is blue, they'll question that too.
I don’t know that people like me “wanted” the exposure numbers to be high. Personally, I “want” the exposure numbers to be zero so we can get back to living our lives.
However, myself and others have said we suspected the virus has been around way longer than we currently know about, and that it’s highly likely way more people have been infected than we know about. I was actually told just a couple weeks ago that no person smarter than myself thinks the virus has been around longer than what we know.....
I just don’t understand why people are shocked that cases are rising. It’s a virus. We’re testing for it often. Cases are going to rise. A lot. And when they do, if the deaths keep dropping like they have been for months, it really puts a different spin on it in my opinion. Way more cases and way fewer deaths seems to be a good thing to me?
What it comes down to is, would a person rather be right...or healthy. I would like to err on the side of caution being a septigenarian I would gladly skip a football season, all things being equal, to stay away from the virus. If there actually isn't a danger...but no one is SURE! Put me down for being a sniveling g liberal coward!
Which is more than fair. But if we aren’t sure, like you suggested we may not be.....then why do the rest of us have to live in that same fear? No doubt anyone who is scared should definitely not go to football games. The rest of us should be able to make our own decisions.
What it comes down to is, would a person rather be right...or healthy. I would like to err on the side of caution being a septigenarian I would gladly skip a football season, all things being equal, to stay away from the virus. If there actually isn't a danger...but no one is SURE! Put me down for being a sniveling g liberal coward!
Which is more than fair. But if we aren’t sure, like you suggested we may not be.....then why do the rest of us have to live in that same fear? No doubt anyone who is scared should definitely not go to football games. The rest of us should be able to make our own decisions.
So the question is: who decides if we can or can't spread the disease? Do we make that decision on our own and willingly infect others or does the government intervene on behalf of general public safety? Not caring if you get covid yourself is one thing, but not caring if you get it and spread it to others is another thing, isn't it?
