Summer stuff 2019

[Helcat72]

Thielen looking good in Badlands Bowl.

He had Owen's 40 yards down field wide open, right in his hands, ....and he dropped it!

Agreed. I’ve always been high on Thelen, and thought today he looked really good. Great touch on balls overall.

Best players I saw tonight were Owens, Wehr, Thelen, Gradney

Alex Johnson, Spiroff, Griel, Wilcox.....wr #11 Rothe?

Too bad about Joe Olson....looks like a knee! Damn!

[Helcat72]

Both Thelen and Brown look pretty good against the ND mule team! Jesse Owens is making the NorDakotans look like they are standing still. He has 3D's 2 from Thelen......

[Air Force Cat]

[Cataholic]

Nice to see Sterk get some well deserved recognition!

[GoCats18]

I was in town today and drove by the fields. Was impressive seeing all the high school players out there participating in the team camp.

[GoCats18]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

[VimSince03]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

[RickRund]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

[VimSince03]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

[GoCats18]

I didn’t realize he was injured. Guess I don’t follow them as close as I do the Cats. I really thought Buss was going to have an outstanding senior season, I guess that explains why.

[kennethnoisewater]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play. All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

[Hawks86]

[CARDIAC_CATS]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Does the DL have athletes that can hold their position but also make a tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play? All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

[Montanabob]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play. All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

Sort of begs the question... Was he the only one who got any tackles (DLine sucked) or were they running at the weakest link?

[VimSince03]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play. All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

Sort of begs the question... Was he the only one who got any tackles (DLine sucked) or were they running at the weakest link?

Turn on any game tape of any Griz game last year and Dante jumps off the tape immediately. He had 50 more tackles than any player in the Big Sky at the end of the year while also putting up 11 tackles for a loss, 6 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles. I am all for throwing shade at the Griz but making up a narrative that Dante Olson is overrated because of an over inflated tackle total? That ain't it. We can do much better.

[CelticCat]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play. All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

Sort of begs the question... Was he the only one who got any tackles (DLine sucked) or were they running at the weakest link?

Turn on any game tape of any Griz game last year and Dante jumps off the tape immediately. He had 50 more tackles than any player in the Big Sky at the end of the year while also putting up 11 tackles for a loss, 6 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles. I am all for throwing shade at the Griz but making up a narrative that Dante Olson is overrated because of an over inflated tackle total? That ain't it. We can do much better.

Colter had an interesting podcast about how schools tally stats. UM and MSU do it differently for example, I got the impression that Olson wouldn't have as many tackles if tallied under the way MSU does it.

[TomCat88]

Sometimes the eye test is better than stats. Does he pass the eye test? Yes. What’s his eye test grade? A.

I’ve been sitting in the press box tracking play by play for quite awhile. There’s lots of plays where I don’t know who made the tackle. There are often 2-3 players in on a stop and it’s tough to say. I suppose as stat keeper who wasn’t sure who was in on a stop initially might err on the side of the guy who’s making news for tackles.

I don’t think the players with the most tackles are necessarily better. Best defenders don’t allow the other players to break tackles, get open, close quickly, etc.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

It will be interesting to see what Olson does this year. I feel like their schedule is harder this year then it was last. Also, felt like Buss took a step backwards last season

Buss literally played at around 50-60% all season. Dante is a fantastic LB and should have another monster season.

If my memory is correct wasn't Buss injured preseason and was iffy for the season. If they had to put him out there in that condition it must have said something about their backups.

Yes it was an offseason injury. He and Jace Lewis split reps for most of the year and Jace was phenomenal. LB play was not a problem for the 2018 Griz despite Josh being injured. The same couldn't be said of their defensive line and corner depth.

Would you say those shortcomings on D helped Olson statistically? It's easy to see he's a special player, but do you think he takes a step back statistically if the rest of the defense is better?

Reminds me of the only quote I've ever liked from BH. He was asked to say something about Olson getting something like 22 tackles in one game and he said "who's keeping stats, his mom?" It was an obscene number.

Number of tackles can be a misleading stat. How far down the field was the tackle? Is the player playing Gap sound or cheating to make a play. All those can be hidden in a big Tackles number. I'm not saying Olson isn't good, but he and Hauck were cleaning up in the second level of the field a lot last year.

Sort of begs the question... Was he the only one who got any tackles (DLine sucked) or were they running at the weakest link?

Turn on any game tape of any Griz game last year and Dante jumps off the tape immediately. He had 50 more tackles than any player in the Big Sky at the end of the year while also putting up 11 tackles for a loss, 6 sacks, and 3 forced fumbles. I am all for throwing shade at the Griz but making up a narrative that Dante Olson is overrated because of an over inflated tackle total? That ain't it. We can do much better.

Colter had an interesting podcast about how schools tally stats. UM and MSU do it differently for example, I got the impression that Olson wouldn't have as many tackles if tallied under the way MSU does it.

Yeah I’m not throwing shade at him but there are lots different reasons sometimes for tackle totals. I’m just saying you can’t just use that. I find the Hauck quote about his mom to be kind of indicative to what CelticCat is saying above. I would take Olson in a heartbeat on the Cats.

[catatac]

I thought I remembered an interview (Nuanez?) where he said the UM defensive scheme is very unique in that it flows an unusual number of plays right to Dante. I don't know enough about schemes to know if that's true but I thought I heard that.

Secondly, I dislike Hauck as much as the next guy and yes that it s funny quote, but my personal favorite Hauck quote is when he was being interviewed after a tough loss and he said, "Well Football it a hard game. If it was easy they'd call it soccer."