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None of this quarterback stuff matters until fall camp or even the first game. How many times in the past has the quarterback position not been decided until then? This will work itself out. Heck, Tom Brady (I know, the pros are different) didn’t win the starting position at the beginning of his first super bowl championship season. Someone will rise up.
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Good post. Just look at recent history at MSU. Murray took over for Bruggman; McGhee took over for Kempt; Rolovich took over for Carpenter; Lulay took over for Thomas. Prukop is the only one to win it outright (not until fall) and he left early. There’s just not much correlation there.AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:48 pmNone of this quarterback stuff matters until fall camp or even the first game. How many times in the past has the quarterback position not been decided until then? This will work itself out. Heck, Tom Brady (I know, the pros are different) didn’t win the starting position at the beginning of his first super bowl championship season. Someone will rise up. A
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True, but once you got a horse to ride, ride em. Choate has shown the conviction/stubbornness to do that very thing. Once you are anointed the QB, there can not really be any question that you have the offense to run week to week unless you just blow up.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:28 pmGood post. Just look at recent history at MSU. Murray took over for Bruggman; McGhee took over for Kempt; Rolovich took over for Carpenter; Lulay took over for Thomas. Prukop is the only one to win it outright (not until fall) and he left early. There’s just not much correlation there.AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:48 pmNone of this quarterback stuff matters until fall camp or even the first game. How many times in the past has the quarterback position not been decided until then? This will work itself out. Heck, Tom Brady (I know, the pros are different) didn’t win the starting position at the beginning of his first super bowl championship season. Someone will rise up. A
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Isn’t that what has happened? Or am I missing your point?catsrback76 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:23 amTrue, but once you got a horse to ride, ride em. Choate has shown the conviction/stubbornness to do that very thing. Once you are anointed the QB, there can not really be any question that you have the offense to run week to week unless you just blow up.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:28 pmGood post. Just look at recent history at MSU. Murray took over for Bruggman; McGhee took over for Kempt; Rolovich took over for Carpenter; Lulay took over for Thomas. Prukop is the only one to win it outright (not until fall) and he left early. There’s just not much correlation there.AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:48 pmNone of this quarterback stuff matters until fall camp or even the first game. How many times in the past has the quarterback position not been decided until then? This will work itself out. Heck, Tom Brady (I know, the pros are different) didn’t win the starting position at the beginning of his first super bowl championship season. Someone will rise up. A
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/ga ... /401030155seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:08 pmSo what has Rovig done against similar competition? Why do you just assume that Rovig will do better?Montanabob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:01 pmWow.. 52% and 145 yards a game . He had over 100 yards rushing.seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:33 pmNot true at all. He made lots of progress in the passing game.Montanabob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:28 pmThe last time Murray played, he made us one dimensional. So unless he spent more time on passes than passing classes, he will still be one read, one dimensional in the passing game. But he will make an awesome RB that can threaten to pass the ball. I said that over two years ago and i'll say it again.seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:54 amI think Choate will give Rovig and Bauman ever opportunity to win the starting job. He wants Rovig to be the guy for sure. However, when push comes to shove and you need to win games Chris Murray will be the player taking snaps.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:08 amI'm amazed your mom had any children that lived.FTG_1984 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:21 pmI'm continually amazed at this board's inability to understand what Choate has implemented on offense. Many board members do not understand how critical it is to having a dual threat QB in the run-pass option strategy we've employed since Choate's arrival. I don't see us veering away from this anytime soon, meaning you'll never see Rovig or Bauman as the starting QB. If TA has indeed moved to D as we're being told, then it's Murray at QB this Fall. And if it's not Murray due to academic reasons again, it'll be Beltran as the front-runner.
Jonsen is probably the best all around athlete on the team, but is not very physically or mentally tough. That is why he's primarily a WR for us. Choate is big on toughness, both physically & mentally. You will not see a starting QB under Choate who is not mentally tough, I can guarantee you all that.
Say what you will about Murray, but he's a tough kid both physically & mentally.
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I say this as someone that is pulling hard for both guys but to say that Chris is incapable of throwing the ball is crap. If he had got to start halfway through his redshirt sophomore year, maybe he would have looked a bit more polished.
In the end, I think this team needs Rovig to be THE GUY. We have too many weapons to have Murray or Andersen in the backfield, no matter how dynamic that one player is.
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Montana 41st State in the Union B1. Appears that a new tradition has started if you look closely to the Instagram photos the only ones wearing the 41B1 are Montana boys.
And it also shows that Brayden Konkol has a new number of 41.
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41th? How about 41st?
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What is the B1 in reference to? I've never heard that before?
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Native Montana Boy playing for Montana State B1wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:12 amWhat is the B1 in reference to? I've never heard that before?
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Murray was improving and was throwing the ball well at the end of his true sophomore season. If he’s throwing it as well now as he was then, then I think the combination of his passing+running is going to be hard to beat. We shall see. A long way to go before August 31.technoCat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:48 amhttp://www.espn.com/college-football/ga ... /401030155seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:08 pmSo what has Rovig done against similar competition? Why do you just assume that Rovig will do better?Montanabob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:01 pmWow.. 52% and 145 yards a game . He had over 100 yards rushing.seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:33 pmNot true at all. He made lots of progress in the passing game.Montanabob wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:28 pmThe last time Murray played, he made us one dimensional. So unless he spent more time on passes than passing classes, he will still be one read, one dimensional in the passing game. But he will make an awesome RB that can threaten to pass the ball. I said that over two years ago and i'll say it again.seataccat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:54 amI think Choate will give Rovig and Bauman ever opportunity to win the starting job. He wants Rovig to be the guy for sure. However, when push comes to shove and you need to win games Chris Murray will be the player taking snaps.luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:08 amI'm amazed your mom had any children that lived.FTG_1984 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:21 pmI'm continually amazed at this board's inability to understand what Choate has implemented on offense. Many board members do not understand how critical it is to having a dual threat QB in the run-pass option strategy we've employed since Choate's arrival. I don't see us veering away from this anytime soon, meaning you'll never see Rovig or Bauman as the starting QB. If TA has indeed moved to D as we're being told, then it's Murray at QB this Fall. And if it's not Murray due to academic reasons again, it'll be Beltran as the front-runner.
Jonsen is probably the best all around athlete on the team, but is not very physically or mentally tough. That is why he's primarily a WR for us. Choate is big on toughness, both physically & mentally. You will not see a starting QB under Choate who is not mentally tough, I can guarantee you all that.
Say what you will about Murray, but he's a tough kid both physically & mentally.
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I say this as someone that is pulling hard for both guys but to say that Chris is incapable of throwing the ball is crap. If he had got to start halfway through his redshirt sophomore year, maybe he would have looked a bit more polished.
In the end, I think this team needs Rovig to be THE GUY. We have too many weapons to have Murray or Andersen in the backfield, no matter how dynamic that one player is.
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I think it means if we’re all “for one” (4-1), then we’ll “be one” (B-1).2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:15 amNative Montana Boy playing for Montana State B1wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:12 amWhat is the B1 in reference to? I've never heard that before?
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it' an Offensive productivity sticker for producing at practice “for one be one”2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:15 amNative Montana Boy playing for Montana State B1wbtfg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:12 amWhat is the B1 in reference to? I've never heard that before?
But Braydon will be wearing 41 this year.
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I suppose all this talk about who the starting QB will be is normal for any team that does not have a returning starter, however I think the biggest ? of the 2019 team is their defense. I say this because no matter how the QB battle plays out there is reason for optimism. Defensively we have a new DC and have 4 seniors (Yates, Collins, Fa’Anono, Wright) of our front 7 starters to replace as players & leaders, plus James Williams our NT/DT who left the team.
I say there is reason for optimism regarding the QB position because of 3 main reasons;
1) Last year after 5 games the staff decided that Rovig would be the starter over TA. Because of a season ending injury during practice that week Rovig never got the chance to be the designated starter. His previous starts he performed well in but he got those opportunities due to TA’s injury. Nonetheless he performed well and had won the job over a teammate who went on to be a unanimous all-conference pick at QB. That tells you a lot.
2) Now if Bauman beats out Rovig, that may be even better because IF Bauman beats out Rovig, then our QB will be a step above a QB who beat out a unanimous all-conference QB. Better yet you'd think.
3) Similarly, if CM makes the team and beats out both Rovig & Bauman it just gets better. Remember in CM’s last 10 conference games he is 7-3 (a little bit of cherry picking there).
So, in the end the CATS will end up with either a QB who had beaten out the future unanimous all-conference QB, or a QB who will have beaten out the QB who beat out the all-conference QB. Not too much of a down side there.
However, for the reasons I stated above there is reason for concern on defensive. I am cautiously optimistic about KI’s return but his first try at DC didn’t work out so well. Although he was in a much different situation then than he is in now. The reason my concern is only moderate is the fact that with Coach Choate’s defensive knowledge, Choate's knowledge of KI from Choate's first year here, and his knowledge & relationship with the staff at UW and the ‘feedback’ he must have got from them before hiring KI as DC are all reasons for optimism that should be weighed against the reasons for concern.
In the end, I think there is more reason for concern on defense than on offense. Speculating in the off-season is what fans do, but I try and keep it in perspective. If memory serves me correctly, last year at this time I don’t think we were talking about the chances of our apparent starting LB becoming our QB let alone an all-conference QB.
With that I’ll leave you with 2 Yoda quotes; “Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future…”, &, “Patience you must have”.
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I say there is reason for optimism regarding the QB position because of 3 main reasons;
1) Last year after 5 games the staff decided that Rovig would be the starter over TA. Because of a season ending injury during practice that week Rovig never got the chance to be the designated starter. His previous starts he performed well in but he got those opportunities due to TA’s injury. Nonetheless he performed well and had won the job over a teammate who went on to be a unanimous all-conference pick at QB. That tells you a lot.
2) Now if Bauman beats out Rovig, that may be even better because IF Bauman beats out Rovig, then our QB will be a step above a QB who beat out a unanimous all-conference QB. Better yet you'd think.
3) Similarly, if CM makes the team and beats out both Rovig & Bauman it just gets better. Remember in CM’s last 10 conference games he is 7-3 (a little bit of cherry picking there).
So, in the end the CATS will end up with either a QB who had beaten out the future unanimous all-conference QB, or a QB who will have beaten out the QB who beat out the all-conference QB. Not too much of a down side there.
However, for the reasons I stated above there is reason for concern on defensive. I am cautiously optimistic about KI’s return but his first try at DC didn’t work out so well. Although he was in a much different situation then than he is in now. The reason my concern is only moderate is the fact that with Coach Choate’s defensive knowledge, Choate's knowledge of KI from Choate's first year here, and his knowledge & relationship with the staff at UW and the ‘feedback’ he must have got from them before hiring KI as DC are all reasons for optimism that should be weighed against the reasons for concern.
In the end, I think there is more reason for concern on defense than on offense. Speculating in the off-season is what fans do, but I try and keep it in perspective. If memory serves me correctly, last year at this time I don’t think we were talking about the chances of our apparent starting LB becoming our QB let alone an all-conference QB.
With that I’ll leave you with 2 Yoda quotes; “Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future…”, &, “Patience you must have”.
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No, you are correct.My point was once you go with a guy, stay with a guy. He has, even when it was questionable ( after the Wagner game ) but the point is, no waffling now once you go with your guy! Let the chips fall where they may. We will likely lose 1 or 2 Qb's on this years decision, so you better be confident in your call.iaafan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:29 amIsn’t that what has happened? Or am I missing your point?catsrback76 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:23 amTrue, but once you got a horse to ride, ride em. Choate has shown the conviction/stubbornness to do that very thing. Once you are anointed the QB, there can not really be any question that you have the offense to run week to week unless you just blow up.TomCat88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:28 pmGood post. Just look at recent history at MSU. Murray took over for Bruggman; McGhee took over for Kempt; Rolovich took over for Carpenter; Lulay took over for Thomas. Prukop is the only one to win it outright (not until fall) and he left early. There’s just not much correlation there.AFCAT wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:48 pmNone of this quarterback stuff matters until fall camp or even the first game. How many times in the past has the quarterback position not been decided until then? This will work itself out. Heck, Tom Brady (I know, the pros are different) didn’t win the starting position at the beginning of his first super bowl championship season. Someone will rise up. A
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Anyone know if the game will be streamed? I'm out of state and don't get SWX....maybe Pluto?
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This is true. But I would argue that NDSU's QB Easton Stick was actually very athletic & very tough. He was certainly a dual threat QB. He was also very underrated in my opinion, despite being well-thought of overall. This is exactly the kind of kid Choate wants at QB. TA & CM are both very similar to Stick in fact, and NDSU ran quite few run/option offensive plays under Stick in his career.RobertCats wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:04 pmMuch like NDSU who he mentions ALL the time, run the ball, smash mouth to set up the pass. NDSU has athletic QBS but nothing like Chris or TA and I have a feeling that’s where Choate ultimately wants our identity to be.
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Great post. I agree 100%. KI as our new DC is a huge concern for me & our biggest question mark going into next year I believe. I've already been slandered & attacked on this board for stating this. But I'd be lying if I said losing TG & replacing him with KI is going to end well.The MICKSTER wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:58 am
In the end, I think there is more reason for concern on defense than on offense. Speculating in the off-season is what fans do, but I try and keep it in perspective. If memory serves me correctly, last year at this time I don’t think we were talking about the chances of our apparent starting LB becoming our QB let alone an all-conference QB.