Now with full cost of attendance, is it possible for a student athlete to receive a full scholarship AND receive his/her Pell Grant?iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:25 pmPell grants and the ncaa student assistance fund are two ways to “add” money to offset your athletic funding and increase your “paid” rostered players. The most you can get from a Pell is about $6,000/year.
Some fcs players get a portion of their funding split between Pell and their scholarship. If it’s 75/25, then the player is only assigned 75% of an athletic scholarship.
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Based on the article I’m reading it’s hard to say. CBS sports ran this article in 2016.
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Unless it has changed in the last couple of years, Pell Grant has nothing to do with a scholarship. If the student athlete applied and received a grant because of his financial situation, then receive a full ride scholarship he/she gets to keep both. They come from a completely different coffers one is from the federal government and other from the school. I played with a few that had the best of both worlds and they used their grant money for pocket money during the year.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:25 pmPell grants and the ncaa student assistance fund are two ways to “add” money to offset your athletic funding and increase your “paid” rostered players. The most you can get from a Pell is about $6,000/year.
Some fcs players get a portion of their funding split between Pell and their scholarship. If it’s 75/25, then the player is only assigned 75% of an athletic scholarship.
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You’re right in that it isn’t taking away from a scholarship. You can get a full ride for sports and a Pell OR the school can offer you the equivalent of a full split between the Pell you received and the scholarship. In that way the Pell can “add” funding to your athletic program.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:03 pmUnless it has changed in the last couple of years, Pell Grant has nothing to do with a scholarship. If the student athlete applied and received a grant because of his financial situation, then receive a full ride scholarship he/she gets to keep both. They come from a completely different coffers one is from the federal government and other from the school. I played with a few that had the best of both worlds and they used their grant money for pocket money during the year.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:25 pmPell grants and the ncaa student assistance fund are two ways to “add” money to offset your athletic funding and increase your “paid” rostered players. The most you can get from a Pell is about $6,000/year.
Some fcs players get a portion of their funding split between Pell and their scholarship. If it’s 75/25, then the player is only assigned 75% of an athletic scholarship.
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I believe you can still get an academic scholarship. I think that just means the money comes out of the academic side rather than the athletic side of the budget. It still “counts” as a football scholarship it’s just not football money per se.
I might be wrong but I believe that can happen at the FCS level for budget balancing purposes
I might be wrong but I believe that can happen at the FCS level for budget balancing purposes
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Thank you sir - you da man! I was guessing it might be ten-ish.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:29 pmGoing back to 2012, the number of Montana football players to have impactful D1 (FCS/FBS) careers is about 10-12 per class. Some highly sought after recruits wash out at the FCS level but a random NAIA recruit comes out of nowhere with an All-American career at the NAIA level (which equates to starter potential/rotational depth at the FCS level). Cain Boschee (Kalispell Glacier) and Nolan Saracini (Billings Senior) are examples of that success. Anyway, I consider a recruit to have an impact career at the FCS level by either starting or being steady contributor through rotational depth.catatac wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:31 pmSo VIM - this debate seems to come up every recruiting season about the amount of D1 talent available in MT. You do great research and invest tons of time tracking all these MT recruits and it's much appreciated! I'm not asking you to do additional research here that I could do myself if I got motivated enough but it seems as if it would be pretty easy to look at the last ten years or so and count how many MT football players had successful FCS (or FBS) careers? You'd have to throw in some parameter there about what defines "successful" but wouldn't necessarily have to be a four year starter or anything obviously. Probably something like, did they stay on the team through graduation, or started at one point but got injured, etc. Again, without doing a bunch of research what is your gut feeling for the average number of legit D1 recruits in MT in a given year... five? Ten?
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iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:18 pmThere are, but it doesn’t mean you can still use your athletic scholarship money on an additional player. Fcs gets 63 scholarships to split up amongst 85 players. You don’t get extra players because you’re giving academic scholarships.bobcat99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:11 pmPretty positive it is.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
There's a number of kids on the football team on academic scholarship if I remember correctly.
I see what you're saying now. I was just thinking about the money aspect.
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Sounds like Andrew changed his mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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Great news! I thought Andrew might be the “athlete” Choate was talking about at the presser that they thought they got but decided to play another position. He has some serious potential, thanks for the update @2-B-Champ2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 amSounds like Andrew changed is mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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Heard the same thing.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 amSounds like Andrew changed his mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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I saw online that the MIT football team was looking at him. I didn’t even realize MIT had a football team (Div III). He must have an impressive academic resume.msufaithful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:08 pmHeard the same thing.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 amSounds like Andrew changed his mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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He's the one who had the 4.5 GPA and 1440 SAT score. Impressive kid, I'd love for him to be part of the program. If he's any good at football that's just a bonus!AFCAT wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:18 pmI saw online that the MIT football team was looking at him. I didn’t even realize MIT had a football team (Div III). He must have an impressive academic resume.msufaithful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:08 pmHeard the same thing.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 amSounds like Andrew changed his mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pmMeans he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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If a kid like that picks MSU that says as much about our school as it does about the football program.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:49 pmHe's the one who had the 4.5 GPA and 1440 SAT score. Impressive kid, I'd love for him to be part of the program. If he's any good at football that's just a bonus!AFCAT wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:18 pmI saw online that the MIT football team was looking at him. I didn’t even realize MIT had a football team (Div III). He must have an impressive academic resume.msufaithful wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:08 pmHeard the same thing.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 amSounds like Andrew changed his mind and will be heading to MSU to kick.2-B-Champ wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:44 pmAndrew is looking for a school, he will be able to play QB at.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pmMakes sense...pretty easy to beat the system that way. But still, always good to have a good athlete with good grades and presumably good character.iaafan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pmThat’s not allowed.kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pmAlso a 4.5 GPA and a 1440 SAT guy. Wouldn't have to spend any football money on him, I wouldn't think. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding that process. I never had the problem of my academic and athletic scholarships overlapping.Montanabob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:16 pmAnd having a kicker that played safety is good as our kickers always seem to get some tackles...VimSince03 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:14 pm
Means he came on a visit and hasn't signed anywhere yet. Andrew is a potential kicker/punter so I'm assuming we still have interest.
And having a punter that played QB, well opens up the 4th and short run/pass options.
And he is both.
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Also has an offer from Iowa State, and has the tweeet pinned...
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For all you guys that like to talk about star ratings here's what they're worth.
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I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS!!!! THEY LITERALLY RANK KIDS BASED OFF THE OFFERS THEY HAVE!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:02 amFor all you guys that like to talk about star ratings here's what they're worth.
Like I've stated in other threads, there were several out-of-state recruits who committed to the Cats/Griz the past few years in late January. They were unranked prior to signing. After signing/committing, they received either a 2-star or 3-star ranking! Just like that!
It makes no sense. Star ratings are directly based off the offers the kid holds in 247/Rival's database...and those offers may not even be correct or updated.
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There's been many times listening or reading Skyline's stuff, and he will list the offers a kid had and it doesn't match up with 247. Usually what Skyline reports is a lot more than you can see in 247.VimSince03 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:29 amI'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS!!!! THEY LITERALLY RANK KIDS BASED OFF THE OFFERS THEY HAVE!luckyirishguy25 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:02 amFor all you guys that like to talk about star ratings here's what they're worth.
Like I've stated in other threads, there were several out-of-state recruits who committed to the Cats/Griz the past few years in late January. They were unranked prior to signing. After signing/committing, they received either a 2-star or 3-star ranking! Just like that!
It makes no sense. Star ratings are directly based off the offers the kid holds in 247/Rival's database...and those offers may not even be correct or updated.
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I do reference the star ratings, but I don’t assume they’re going to be perfect. From 2016-18 MSU signed 42 star rated players of those 19 are currently making significant contributions. During that same period MSU has signed 55 no star rating players and 11 are currently making significant contributions. That’s 45% to 20%. So it’s difficult for me to just say star ratings don’t matter. It isn’t a be-all, end-all factor, but it does give some indication.