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In the Christmas spirit, I am hoping CM gets his grades up, leads us in summer drills and returns with a vengeance. It would make a great story and kind of seems like a typical Coach Choate situation. The young man learns from it and finds success! Can you imagine being a D coordinator and have to stop a backfield of TA, II, and CM!!!
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And Jonsen and Logan Jones!superbobcat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:20 pmIn the Christmas spirit, I am hoping CM gets his grades up, leads us in summer drills and returns with a vengeance. It would make a great story and kind of seems like a typical Coach Choate situation. The young man learns from it and finds success! Can you imagine being a D coordinator and have to stop a backfield of TA, II, and CM!!!
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Re: Murray
Ok...I'm gonna put this out there and it seems like I'm going to get killed...but I just gotta say it. Am I the only one who thinks Murray back at QB is less than a great idea? He's the same QB as Troy and Troy was better! We spent all season complaining about how one dimensional Troy was...when the knock on Murray was he can't throw! Chris Murray...should he get back on the team...should be on the field every offensive play...but not at QB. Right?Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:34 pmAnd Jonsen and Logan Jones!superbobcat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:20 pmIn the Christmas spirit, I am hoping CM gets his grades up, leads us in summer drills and returns with a vengeance. It would make a great story and kind of seems like a typical Coach Choate situation. The young man learns from it and finds success! Can you imagine being a D coordinator and have to stop a backfield of TA, II, and CM!!!
On that note...have we given up on Rovig? I am seeing post after post about Bauman...who has barely played. Rovig has every tool. This whole QB thing has me perplexed. I'll be honest when I say I don't think I see things the same way as my respected Bobcat brothers and sisters on this fan board see them.
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Re: Murray
Would it surprise anyone to know Rovig had more passing touchdowns on the year than Andersen, and about half his total passing yardage, in two games (well, he appeared in 5 games).
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Re: Murray
Andersen's 2018 line: 115-208-7 55.3% 1195yds 3 TDs
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
"It was like a coordinated effort by the Missoulian and the police to bring UM Football program down..." eGriz 11/30/12
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Re: Murray
Novel idea. I definitely think Murray could end up winning the starting QB job. Just depends on how they’ve all progressed and if he’s able to participate in spring ball. It’ll be fun to watch.
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Re: Murray
KittieKop wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:02 pmAndersen's 2018 line: 115-208-7 55.3% 1195yds 3 TDs
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
Dude! We get it. You like Ash. Dak Pru was his guy and...I kid I kid. Lol
Thank you for posting the stats. So pretty much Murray and Troy were pretty even. Interesting.
My gut tells me we're the best team with Tucker at QB handing off to Ifanse, Murray, and a little of Anderson, and then he drops a dime on to Kassis or another WR every once in a while. Just more looks to defend that way.
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Re: Murray
What??? Are you guys nuts? Murray and Troy were not “pretty even.” Murray completed just 5 more passes in 2017 than Troy did in 2018 but threw for 400 yards and 12 TDs more. That is very telling when it comes to keeping the defense honest which is really all we are trying to get a QB to do. Especially with our dominant run game.lutecat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:40 pmKittieKop wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:02 pmAndersen's 2018 line: 115-208-7 55.3% 1195yds 3 TDs
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
Dude! We get it. You like Ash. Dak Pru was his guy and...I kid I kid. Lol
Thank you for posting the stats. So pretty much Murray and Troy were pretty even. Interesting.
My gut tells me we're the best team with Tucker at QB handing off to Ifanse, Murray, and a little of Anderson, and then he drops a dime on to Kassis or another WR every once in a while. Just more looks to defend that way.
Comparing Prukop’s stats is a fools errand. Prukop played at a time when our philosophy was to try and outscore everyone. He got a lot of stats when we had already lost the game. That awful philosophy got us a losing season and cost the HC his job. What we have now is far superior.
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Re: Murray
I think Murray will be back but I don’t think he’ll be qb. We’re a better team if we can get the ball in his hands though. It’s going to be an exciting spring and fall!
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Re: Murray
If CM isn't QB, I'm not sure where he plays. I don't see him at RB, very different skill set and physical requirement. Maybe receiver but no guarantee. I'm rooting for CM whatever the outcome.
The Cats need a functional, effective passing game and the QB that provides that plays.
If an opposing team loads the box every down, then pass the ball every down until they respect the pass. That's what being a good run first team is about. Make opponents sell out to stop the run then beat them with easy passes.
The Cats need a functional, effective passing game and the QB that provides that plays.
If an opposing team loads the box every down, then pass the ball every down until they respect the pass. That's what being a good run first team is about. Make opponents sell out to stop the run then beat them with easy passes.
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I guess when I said comparison, I should have chosen other words. You're right, offensive philosophy now versus 2015 is vastly different. I just wanted to illustrate relative output from the QB position, as a point of reference when we look at Murray and/or Andersen.utucats wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:47 pmWhat??? Are you guys nuts? Murray and Troy were not “pretty even.” Murray completed just 5 more passes in 2017 than Troy did in 2018 but threw for 400 yards and 12 TDs more. That is very telling when it comes to keeping the defense honest which is really all we are trying to get a QB to do. Especially with our dominant run game.lutecat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:40 pmKittieKop wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:02 pmAndersen's 2018 line: 115-208-7 55.3% 1195yds 3 TDs
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
Dude! We get it. You like Ash. Dak Pru was his guy and...I kid I kid. Lol
Thank you for posting the stats. So pretty much Murray and Troy were pretty even. Interesting.
My gut tells me we're the best team with Tucker at QB handing off to Ifanse, Murray, and a little of Anderson, and then he drops a dime on to Kassis or another WR every once in a while. Just more looks to defend that way.
Comparing Prukop’s stats is a fools errand. Prukop played at a time when our philosophy was to try and outscore everyone. He got a lot of stats when we had already lost the game. That awful philosophy got us a losing season and cost the HC his job. What we have now is far superior.
I think we need to have at least a reliable passing game. There's only one FCS team in the country that can simply wear every other team out in the 4th quarter, and they're playing in Frisco next week. We can't rely on "out NDSU-ing" NDSU, SDSU, EWU. We need to bring more to the table. I don't see assembling an offense in Bozeman that will simply run over every other team. There's a way for MSU to win it, but I think it has to involve a threat of a passing game as well as a punishing run attack.
"It was like a coordinated effort by the Missoulian and the police to bring UM Football program down..." eGriz 11/30/12
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Re: Murray
Had me going for a minute!lutecat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:40 pmKittieKop wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:02 pmAndersen's 2018 line: 115-208-7 55.3% 1195yds 3 TDs
Murray's 2017 line: 120-233-9 51.5% 1597yds 15 TDs
Not a hellava lot of difference there, other than Murray threw more TDs.
Rushing:
Andersen 2018: 206 rushes, 1412yds, 21TDs
Murray 2017: 91 rushes, 1124yds, 10 TDs
Andersen ran a lot more, but Murray's yard per attempt is much higher. Andersen scored more touchdowns.
Andersen a combined 2,607 yds, 24 TDs
Murray a combined 2,721 yds, 25 TDs
Not sure what any of this really means in the end. Kind of a give and take for each of them. Andersen obviously came away with more wins in 2018 than Murray in 2017.
Just as a recent comparison, here's Prukop from 2015:
Rushing: 158 rushes, 797 yds, 11 TDs
Passing: 216-344-10, 62.8% 3025 yds, 28 TDs
Combined: 3,822 yds, 39 TDs
All the numbers come from MSU BTW.
Dude! We get it. You like Ash. Dak Pru was his guy and...I kid I kid. Lol
Thank you for posting the stats. So pretty much Murray and Troy were pretty even. Interesting.
My gut tells me we're the best team with Tucker at QB handing off to Ifanse, Murray, and a little of Anderson, and then he drops a dime on to Kassis or another WR every once in a while. Just more looks to defend that way.
"It was like a coordinated effort by the Missoulian and the police to bring UM Football program down..." eGriz 11/30/12
Now where did I leave my tinfoil hat?
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I’m with ya. I don’t feel Murray should get the chance to joint the team again since he stopped showing up to classes all together and to me thats rollingnover on the rest of your team. Second Murray at qb does not improve our pass game. If he does come back and play he better learn to run routes because wr is about the only position he will help out at.CatsNoMatterWhat wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:45 pmOk...I'm gonna put this out there and it seems like I'm going to get killed...but I just gotta say it. Am I the only one who thinks Murray back at QB is less than a great idea? He's the same QB as Troy and Troy was better! We spent all season complaining about how one dimensional Troy was...when the knock on Murray was he can't throw! Chris Murray...should he get back on the team...should be on the field every offensive play...but not at QB. Right?Cataholic wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:34 pmAnd Jonsen and Logan Jones!superbobcat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:20 pmIn the Christmas spirit, I am hoping CM gets his grades up, leads us in summer drills and returns with a vengeance. It would make a great story and kind of seems like a typical Coach Choate situation. The young man learns from it and finds success! Can you imagine being a D coordinator and have to stop a backfield of TA, II, and CM!!!
On that note...have we given up on Rovig? I am seeing post after post about Bauman...who has barely played. Rovig has every tool. This whole QB thing has me perplexed. I'll be honest when I say I don't think I see things the same way as my respected Bobcat brothers and sisters on this fan board see them.
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Re: Murray
BSMITH. Obviously you didnt watch much the past few years. Murray did quite well for coming in as a 17yr old freshman. Give the kid credit. Yeah he let the team down but everybody makes mistakes and deserves a second chance. I feel for your kids if you have any.
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Re: Murray
My daughter saw Murray in the student parking lot this morning - so he's back on campus. I'm assuming he was headed to class.