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Post by allcat » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:04 pm

I think the left has it right. if you are offended by statue, tear it down. The taliban started it by blowing up those in the mountainside a few years ago. I want to tear down 2. Number 1 that has to go is Jeanette Rankin, she didn't want to cut anybodies head off. Number 2 is the Meagher statue in front of the capitol, that guy is obviously an ISIS beheader ahead of his time.
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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:07 am

Elihu Yale (5 April 1649 - 8 July 1721) was a British merchant, philanthropist and slave trader. President of the East India Company settlement at Fort St George in Madras, and a benefactor of the Collegiate School in the Colony of Connecticut, which in 1718 was named Yale College in his honor.................. #-o

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Post by ChiOCat » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:47 am

I've been mired down in some really good WWII books lately. The stories make me see clearly that -

We MUST stand against hate groups. Our president MUST condone them clearly. We MUST find a way around our past.

If taking down a statue of the Confederate leader and putting it in a museum (what I have read is the plan) helps all that, then do it. Will it "erase" history? Nope. Will it help healing and foster the future? Maybe. But if that statue gives hate groups an idol, a center per se, then it is destroying all hope.

We have a lot of history around the world with little true record. It's not been lost or altered or changed. It's still there, in all its ugly human imperfection.


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Post by allcat » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:20 am

ChiOCat wrote:I've been mired down in some really good WWII books lately. The stories make me see clearly that -

We MUST stand against hate groups. Our president MUST condone them clearly. We MUST find a way around our past.

If taking down a statue of the Confederate leader and putting it in a museum (what I have read is the plan) helps all that, then do it. Will it "erase" history? Nope. Will it help healing and foster the future? Maybe. But if that statue gives hate groups an idol, a center per se, then it is destroying all hope.

We have a lot of history around the world with little true record. It's not been lost or altered or changed. It's still there, in all its ugly human imperfection.
So, do we blow up MT. Rushmore, as some groups want? There are also calls to tear down the Jefferson Memorial. I don't care about some statues, but Robert E. Lee was a great leader. Also if you are studying wwII, what did you learn about appeasement?


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Post by 77matcat » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:24 am

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Post by ChiOCat » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:03 pm

allcat wrote:
ChiOCat wrote:I've been mired down in some really good WWII books lately. The stories make me see clearly that -

We MUST stand against hate groups. Our president MUST condone them clearly. We MUST find a way around our past.

If taking down a statue of the Confederate leader and putting it in a museum (what I have read is the plan) helps all that, then do it. Will it "erase" history? Nope. Will it help healing and foster the future? Maybe. But if that statue gives hate groups an idol, a center per se, then it is destroying all hope.

We have a lot of history around the world with little true record. It's not been lost or altered or changed. It's still there, in all its ugly human imperfection.
So, do we blow up MT. Rushmore, as some groups want? There are also calls to tear down the Jefferson Memorial. I don't care about some statues, but Robert E. Lee was a great leader. Also if you are studying wwII, what did you learn about appeasement?
I don't honestly know what the answer needs to be. As usual, the BS spewed by both sides won't fix it. It's going to require honest dialogue and compromises....so it probably won't happen.


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Post by hokeyfine » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:13 am

getting rid of monuments is not the answer. it doesn't do anything but provide a temporary feel good moment. the issues related to it are still there. Blunt and honest education of kids and adults about the people and events that monuments represent are what's important. Ignorance is the worst enemy this country has right now. why do we still celebrate columbus day?



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Post by allcat » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:16 pm

hokeyfine wrote:getting rid of monuments is not the answer. it doesn't do anything but provide a temporary feel good moment. the issues related to it are still there. Blunt and honest education of kids and adults about the people and events that monuments represent are what's important. Ignorance is the worst enemy this country has right now. why do we still celebrate columbus day?
The one thing about tearing these down, the people that demand it just move on to the next thing. They do not ever achieve their goals. If they get one thing, they demand another. People wonder why the NRA fights every issue.


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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:55 pm

Instead of taking down statues people should make sure other people are not ****** pussies.

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