Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

Post by grizpack » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:39 pm

This shows you what great leadership v. piss poor leadership does. MSU hit a home run with their President who turned things around in a big way in Bozeman, while UM was an unmitigated disaster under Engstrom.

I truly hope Bodner is the person to turn it around at UM. I like the leadership he is showing through this crisis, but time will tell.



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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

Post by iaafan » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm

You like the leadership Bodnar is showing? He hired Hauck and members of the faculty and community responded negatively. You now have a lot of people at UM and Missoula rooting for the football team to lose. What has Bodnar accomplished in academics?

MSU just got $12 million gift for an American Indian hall. UM had always been the school of choice for Native Americans between MSU and UM, but that’s about to change. No one is investing in UM academics, but then with all the available space from enrollment dropping there isn’t a need



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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

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You like the leadership Bodnar is showing? He hired Hauck and members of the faculty and community responded negatively. You now have a lot of people at UM and Missoula rooting for the football team to lose. What has Bodnar accomplished in academics?

MSU just got $12 million gift for an American Indian hall. UM had always been the school of choice for Native Americans between MSU and UM, but that’s about to change. No one is investing in UM academics, but then with all the available space from enrollment dropping there isn’t a need
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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

Post by grizpack » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:09 pm

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Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm
You like the leadership Bodnar is showing? He hired Hauck and members of the faculty and community responded negatively. You now have a lot of people at UM and Missoula rooting for the football team to lose. What has Bodnar accomplished in academics?

MSU just got $12 million gift for an American Indian hall. UM had always been the school of choice for Native Americans between MSU and UM, but that’s about to change. No one is investing in UM academics, but then with all the available space from enrollment dropping there isn’t a need
Yes. I think people are very excited by his leadership. He has done a great job getting people interested in the University again. You have no idea how bad it was in Missoula, and with alumni under Engstrom. The BOR finally figured it out. I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe people are very supportive of him.

Now the faculty is another issue. They haven't been happy with the athletic program since the beginning of time, and it won't change soon. Those in the faculty that are facing cuts are very unhappy. Those in programs that are doing well generally like Bodner. My recollection is that some of the MSU faculty wasn't very happy with your President when she came in and started kicking asses either.

And the hiring of Hauck is viewed as a positive with most. Some opponents are extremely vocal, as usual. But the vast majority supported it. However I will admit that no school is immune from the problems. They will happen again at UM, and they have and will happen again at MSU. Hopefully UM will handle them better this time around.



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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

Post by kennethnoisewater » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:55 pm

grizpack wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:09 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm
You like the leadership Bodnar is showing? He hired Hauck and members of the faculty and community responded negatively. You now have a lot of people at UM and Missoula rooting for the football team to lose. What has Bodnar accomplished in academics?

MSU just got $12 million gift for an American Indian hall. UM had always been the school of choice for Native Americans between MSU and UM, but that’s about to change. No one is investing in UM academics, but then with all the available space from enrollment dropping there isn’t a need
Yes. I think people are very excited by his leadership. He has done a great job getting people interested in the University again. You have no idea how bad it was in Missoula, and with alumni under Engstrom. The BOR finally figured it out. I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe people are very supportive of him.

Now the faculty is another issue. They haven't been happy with the athletic program since the beginning of time, and it won't change soon. Those in the faculty that are facing cuts are very unhappy. Those in programs that are doing well generally like Bodner. My recollection is that some of the MSU faculty wasn't very happy with your President when she came in and started kicking asses either.

And the hiring of Hauck is viewed as a positive with most. Some opponents are extremely vocal, as usual. But the vast majority supported it. However I will admit that no school is immune from the problems. They will happen again at UM, and they have and will happen again at MSU. Hopefully UM will handle them better this time around.
Things have always been cyclical, but there is a major sea-change in higher education, and MSU is on the right side of that. Used to be, you could just get a degree in anything and be fine as long as you weren't trying to specialize in anything (accounting, medical, law, etc). Now the type of degree you have matters much more. Liberal Arts degrees aren't worth much anymore. Journalism, as a vocation, is all but dead. These are programs that carried UM for a long time. Business and pharmacy have been great for UM, but MSU has greatly added to its Business school, and that will continue to work in MSU's favor.

I literally have no idea what UM is going to do. I think alums are going to save the university though, they just need to have the right plan. They announced their $400M campaign and have over 80% of that raised. That has to help, but will it be throwing good money after bad? Time will tell.


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Re: Another big drop in UM-Missoula enrollment-7.6%

Post by grizpack » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:16 pm

kennethnoisewater wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:55 pm
grizpack wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:09 pm
iaafan wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:16 pm
You like the leadership Bodnar is showing? He hired Hauck and members of the faculty and community responded negatively. You now have a lot of people at UM and Missoula rooting for the football team to lose. What has Bodnar accomplished in academics?

MSU just got $12 million gift for an American Indian hall. UM had always been the school of choice for Native Americans between MSU and UM, but that’s about to change. No one is investing in UM academics, but then with all the available space from enrollment dropping there isn’t a need
Yes. I think people are very excited by his leadership. He has done a great job getting people interested in the University again. You have no idea how bad it was in Missoula, and with alumni under Engstrom. The BOR finally figured it out. I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe people are very supportive of him.

Now the faculty is another issue. They haven't been happy with the athletic program since the beginning of time, and it won't change soon. Those in the faculty that are facing cuts are very unhappy. Those in programs that are doing well generally like Bodner. My recollection is that some of the MSU faculty wasn't very happy with your President when she came in and started kicking asses either.

And the hiring of Hauck is viewed as a positive with most. Some opponents are extremely vocal, as usual. But the vast majority supported it. However I will admit that no school is immune from the problems. They will happen again at UM, and they have and will happen again at MSU. Hopefully UM will handle them better this time around.
Things have always been cyclical, but there is a major sea-change in higher education, and MSU is on the right side of that. Used to be, you could just get a degree in anything and be fine as long as you weren't trying to specialize in anything (accounting, medical, law, etc). Now the type of degree you have matters much more. Liberal Arts degrees aren't worth much anymore. Journalism, as a vocation, is all but dead. These are programs that carried UM for a long time. Business and pharmacy have been great for UM, but MSU has greatly added to its Business school, and that will continue to work in MSU's favor.

I literally have no idea what UM is going to do. I think alums are going to save the university though, they just need to have the right plan. They announced their $400M campaign and have over 80% of that raised. That has to help, but will it be throwing good money after bad? Time will tell.
I agree with most of what you say. That is precisely why I think Bodner is a perfect leader right now. He doesn't come from academia. He realizes that Liberal Arts degrees aren't what they used to be. And you are exactly right about MSU being on the right side of the degrees that they offer. However UM has some promising areas that could be expanded too. I think you will see UM expanding areas that may compete with MSU also.

I don't know the way out, and I don't think there is a quick fix. However, as you said, it is cyclical. When I got out of high school, all of my classmates went to MSU. I went to UM. Then the tide changed, and UM was the school to go to. Now it has definitely changed again. As I said, it won't be a quick fix, but I think most are happy with the changes that are being made, and some of the prospects for change ahead.

Your information about the capital campaign is correct. It is closer to the $400M within the last week also. I know they had a couple of big commitments. The goal is much higher than that. However, that isn't the fix. The fix is to get students, both in-state and out-of-state to enroll. I am hopeful that by next fall, the news will be better for enrollment.

For now, MSU supporters should enjoy the academic ride you are on. It is a hell of a good one.

Quite frankly, as a tax payer, I hope that MSU sustains its' growth. I hope UM matches or exceeds it. That would be great for the State.



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