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CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:02 pm

It may give players playing in the FCS who felt like they should've had bigger offers try their hand at getting recruited again, but wouldn't it also make it easier to land dropdowns? If a guy at a P5 school was thinking of dropping down, but was afraid to fully commit to transferring, he could also dip his toes in the market without fear of losing his current scholarship.

Transferring up still requires sitting out a year, whereas dropping down does not. Williams redshirted so if he is transferring up or even laterally he would lose his freshman year and be a redshirt sophomore in 2020.

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:02 pm

It may give players playing in the FCS who felt like they should've had bigger offers try their hand at getting recruited again, but wouldn't it also make it easier to land dropdowns? If a guy at a P5 school was thinking of dropping down, but was afraid to fully commit to transferring, he could also dip his toes in the market without fear of losing his current scholarship.

Transferring up still requires sitting out a year, whereas dropping down does not. Williams redshirted so if he is transferring up or even laterally he would lose his freshman year and be a redshirt sophomore in 2020.

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:02 pm

It may give players playing in the FCS who felt like they should've had bigger offers try their hand at getting recruited again, but wouldn't it also make it easier to land dropdowns? If a guy at a P5 school was thinking of dropping down, but was afraid to fully commit to transferring, he could also dip his toes in the market without fear of losing his current scholarship.

Transferring up still requires sitting out a year, whereas dropping down does not. Williams redshirted so if he is transferring up or even laterally he would lose his freshman year and be a redshirt sophomore in 2020.

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:37 pm

BozoneCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm just going to say it - this transfer portal thing is complete bullsh*t. MSU (and every other program that gets affected by this) spends a ton of money recruiting and developing these players, only to have them transfer out before they do a damn thing. It's complete garbage, and is seriously going to lower the quality of play at the FCS level. This is different than the drop-down situation. I don't like it one bit. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's good on the human development side of things either.

I personally like it. If a player previously wanted to transfer, he had to request permission from his coach. The coach was in control, who himself has no real obligation to stay and teach the young men he recruited to come play for him.

College football players had no power before, in a game where millions are made off their hard work. If a college student who also plays football wants to transfer to another school to change his education or just change his scenery for various reason, he should be allowed to do that.

mslacatfan wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:44 pm

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:37 pm

BozoneCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm just going to say it - this transfer portal thing is complete bullsh*t. MSU (and every other program that gets affected by this) spends a ton of money recruiting and developing these players, only to have them transfer out before they do a damn thing. It's complete garbage, and is seriously going to lower the quality of play at the FCS level. This is different than the drop-down situation. I don't like it one bit. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's good on the human development side of things either.

I personally like it. If a player previously wanted to transfer, he had to request permission from his coach. The coach was in control, who himself has no real obligation to stay and teach the young men he recruited to come play for him.

College football players had no power before, in a game where millions are made off their hard work. If a college student who also plays football wants to transfer to another school to change his education or just change his scenery for various reason, he should be allowed to do that.

completely see both sides. 100% agree that the kids should be able to make their own decisions with this stuff (even though it might piss me off). But man, this could REALLY crush the talent level at the FCS level... makes it pretty simple for any player that is halfway decent to just transfer out to a bigger program....

MSU01 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:48 pm

BozoneCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm just going to say it - this transfer portal thing is complete bullsh*t. MSU (and every other program that gets affected by this) spends a ton of money recruiting and developing these players, only to have them transfer out before they do a damn thing. It's complete garbage, and is seriously going to lower the quality of play at the FCS level. This is different than the drop-down situation. I don't like it one bit. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's good on the human development side of things either.

From what I understand, the Transfer Portal basically allows players to reopen their recruitment and be contacted by potential transfer institutions while still enrolled and participating in football at their current school. To me, it sure seems like a great mechanism for FBS programs to snap up the top young FCS talent they missed out on for whatever reason during the original recruiting process. Whether this is good or bad for the players involved (the grass is always greener...) or the health of college football overall I'm not sure, but it seems to put FCS and non-Power 5 FBS schools at a rather large disadvantage when it comes to retaining their top young talent.

91catAlum wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:16 pm

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:13 pm

2018 Recruits:

Blake Allred, FB - Transferred out
Ryan Barkley, OL
Seer Deines, DL
Koby Duru, WR - Transferred out
Greg Filer III, CB
Isaiah Ifanse, RB
Donny Long, OL - Gone (never made it?)
Mekhi Metcalf, WR - Transferred out
Treyton Pickering, TE
Malik Putney, S - Never made it
Sherod White, TB - Gone (never made it?)
James Williams, NT - Rumored to be transferring out
Nolan Askelson, LB
*Jory Choate, LB
Mark Estes, WR
Logan Kleinhans, WR
Joe McElroy, OL
Lane Sumner, RB
Kaleb Winterburn, DB
Casey Bauman, QB
Justin Cauley, RB
Ty'Rese Gibson, DB
Ty'Rhae Gibson, DB
Derryk Snell, TE
Ruben Beltran, QB

Transfers:
Tristan Bailey, K
Travis Jonsen, QB
Tyler Natee, RB - Retired for medical reasons
Bryce Sterk, DL
Dante Sparaco - Transferred out
Maleek Barkley - Gone

EDITED - to add Sparaco, Beltran and Barkley

Donnie Long made it to Bozeman for about 2 weeks, got homesick, and left.

Grizaddict wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:44 pm

My understanding is that the second a player puts himself in the portal, he may be at risk for losing his current scholarship. It makes sense as he’s basically saying “sorry coach I’m going to shop around a bit for a better fit.”

This then gives the coach the ability to to say “don’t let the door hit you on the way out”

BozoneCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm just going to say it - this transfer portal thing is complete bullsh*t. MSU (and every other program that gets affected by this) spends a ton of money recruiting and developing these players, only to have them transfer out before they do a damn thing. It's complete garbage, and is seriously going to lower the quality of play at the FCS level. This is different than the drop-down situation. I don't like it one bit. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's good on the human development side of things either.

catsrback76 wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:52 pm

91catAlum wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:16 pm

CelticCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:13 pm

2018 Recruits:

Blake Allred, FB - Transferred out
Ryan Barkley, OL
Seer Deines, DL
Koby Duru, WR - Transferred out
Greg Filer III, CB
Isaiah Ifanse, RB
Donny Long, OL - Gone (never made it?)
Mekhi Metcalf, WR - Transferred out
Treyton Pickering, TE
Malik Putney, S - Never made it
Sherod White, TB - Gone (never made it?)
James Williams, NT - Rumored to be transferring out
Nolan Askelson, LB
*Jory Choate, LB
Mark Estes, WR
Logan Kleinhans, WR
Joe McElroy, OL
Lane Sumner, RB
Kaleb Winterburn, DB
Casey Bauman, QB
Justin Cauley, RB
Ty'Rese Gibson, DB
Ty'Rhae Gibson, DB
Derryk Snell, TE
Ruben Beltran, QB

Transfers:
Tristan Bailey, K
Travis Jonsen, QB
Tyler Natee, RB - Retired for medical reasons
Bryce Sterk, DL
Dante Sparaco - Transferred out
Maleek Barkley - Gone

EDITED - to add Sparaco, Beltran and Barkley

Donnie Long made it to Bozeman for about 2 weeks, got homesick, and left.

HOW does ANYONE get homesick after 2 weeks of ANYTHING! He looked at the place, he saw that he was going to have to work for it...and he couldn't do it. It's as simple as that! HOMESICK???? HOMESICK???? Please...

Anacomando wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:40 pm

BozoneCat wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm just going to say it - this transfer portal thing is complete bullsh*t. MSU (and every other program that gets affected by this) spends a ton of money recruiting and developing these players, only to have them transfer out before they do a damn thing. It's complete garbage, and is seriously going to lower the quality of play at the FCS level. This is different than the drop-down situation. I don't like it one bit. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's good on the human development side of things either.

Yes, good post! This is a complete mess and the NCAA needs to adjust this. You can't enter a transfer portal at work; it puts "me" over "we."

PHAT CAT wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:54 am

I know it's been hard for his mom and sister to come to games. The cost of flights, hotels and car rental. There's not a doubt, financially, it's been a burden for his family. He loves MSU and Bozeman. And yes, I know this as a fact.

PHAT CAT wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:54 am

I know it's been hard for his mom and sister to come to games. The cost of flights, hotels and car rental. There's not a doubt, financially, it's been a burden for his family. He loves MSU and Bozeman. And yes, I know this as a fact.

Cat Grad wrote: ↑

Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:23 am

It's pretty funny reading the comments from the few adamently opposed to the transfer portal for today's kids in the same school discussion board that produced Sam McCullum...you know, the former Minnesota Viking who sued the NFL and opened up the floodgates to free agency for professional player. Free agency didn't hurt the NFL (professional athletes) and it's only going to help NCAA players (amateur athletes who are only compensated by schools that provide Full Cost of Attendance and a measly pitance of a stipend in most Power 5 schools and as far as I know the Dakota schools in FCS).