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Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:39 am
by iaafan
Lutecat: good point about Colter. He reached out to Ekern and gave him an opportunity to say he hasn’t heard from MSU. That probably would’ve prompted a call from MSU. I don’t think the coach did this kid any favors by ripping MSU.
Nothing personal against Ekern, but he simply does not look like FCS talent. Especially FCS playoff team talent. I’m not sure what Cole saw and I wonder how he was able to convince Choate to make an offer. Was he a partial or PWO? That would explain it a little bit. Can’t believe that they would’ve offered a full.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:48 am
by The Butcher
This really doesn't hurt the young man's chances of playing college football. He has until February to catch on with another school (the second signing period). That is a lot of time to find a new place to play. I don't see a big issue here (coming from a former Bobcat that held 5 scholarship offers including Iowa State).
Also, "not communicating" during the season doesn't mean a whole lot. There are strict restrictions of communicating during the season, so it isn't like they were talking everyday on the phone and then just nothing...
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:45 am
by mslacatfan
iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:39 am
Nothing personal against Ekern, but he simply does not look like FCS talent. Especially FCS playoff team talent. I’m not sure what Cole saw and I wonder how he was able to convince Choate to make an offer. Was he a partial or PWO? That would explain it a little bit. Can’t believe that they would’ve offered a full.
yeah, have to agree with you here. I feel bad talking negatively about the guy, since he is now having to figure this out..... but I thought the same thing back when he was initially recruited, nothing about his highlights really got me too excited. I just assumed the coaches were better at evaluating talent then me (which obviously they are).
anyway, hope he can get on with another school.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:53 am
by ilovethecats
I thought for sure this would be breaking news on ESPN and other networks this morning. After all, I read on egriz and here that this is the first time a team has ever offered a scholarship and then rescinded. Why on earth am I not seeing it anywhere? Seems like this would be HUGE news if it was in fact the first time this has ever happened. I guess I don’t understand....
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:54 am
by CelticCat
It sucks that it is so close before signing day, you have to feel for the kid, but like others have said this is sometimes just the way it is, and also like The Butcher said this is the early signing period, he still has plenty of chances until the normal signing period to find a new home.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:02 am
by Cataholic
CelticCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:54 am
It sucks that it is so close before signing day, you have to feel for the kid, but like others have said this is sometimes just the way it is, and also like The Butcher said this is the early signing period, he still has plenty of chances until the normal signing period to find a new home.
I don’t think this just happened. The timeline by Schweldeson is vague but it does not appear like this “just happened”. It seems this all transpired back closer to when Cole was fired back in October. Also according to Vims earlier post, his offer was pulled back when Cole was let go, not last week. Also, Colter Nuanez tried to reach out to Ekern back when this occurred but Ekern would not return his calls...
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:04 am
by iaafan
At what position? I see he also played defense. He’s not going anywhere to play quarterback with these numbers:
As a junior Ekern was 32 for 59 for 455 yards three tds and four ints. 35 carries for 92 yards and one TD.
He was offered a scholly by Cole based on that?
Then as a senior he’s 107 for 215 for 1,397 yards, 1 TD and 4 Int. 71 carries for 173 yards and two TD.
C’mon.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:05 am
by Joe Bobcat
The Chronicle reporter did a poor job of reporting the when of this story. Saying making contact was difficult for a couple of weeks leaves a lot to be desired. The week or two following coach Cole being let go had to be enough of a hot mess that contact with a recruit would’ve been pointless. If the staff took a couple of weeks to determine if they would be staying the course or going a different direction that seems appropriate to me. While this wasn’t a complete staff change it evidently was a big enough change to warrant some other changes. The kid didn’t help himself with the pedestrian season and the HS coach doesn’t sound like he’s helping anyone. The whining bitchy grizaddict is his typical sad self.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 am
by Cataholic
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:53 am
I thought for sure this would be breaking news on ESPN and other networks this morning. After all, I read on egriz and here that this is the first time a team has ever offered a scholarship and then rescinded. Why on earth am I not seeing it anywhere? Seems like this would be HUGE news if it was in fact the first time this has ever happened. I guess I don’t understand....
I was curious what was being said on egriz so I just took a look. I found nothing but 2 minor mentions at the bottom of another thread... it seems that the only person that this was “unheard of” and that it struck a nerve with was GrizAgenda.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:44 am
by Catsrgrood
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:53 am
I thought for sure this would be breaking news on ESPN and other networks this morning. After all, I read on egriz and here that this is the first time a team has ever offered a scholarship and then rescinded. Why on earth am I not seeing it anywhere? Seems like this would be HUGE news if it was in fact the first time this has ever happened. I guess I don’t understand....
I was curious what was being said on egriz so I just took a look. I found nothing but 2 minor mentions at the bottom of another thread... it seems that the only person that this was “unheard of” and that it struck a nerve with was GrizAgenda.
They must have just taken the thread down. As of last night there was a 5 page thread on it. Good to know egriz is so concerned with MSU recruiting.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:29 am
by ilovethecats
Catsrgrood wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:44 am
Cataholic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 am
ilovethecats wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:53 am
I thought for sure this would be breaking news on ESPN and other networks this morning. After all, I read on egriz and here that this is the first time a team has ever offered a scholarship and then rescinded. Why on earth am I not seeing it anywhere? Seems like this would be HUGE news if it was in fact the first time this has ever happened. I guess I don’t understand....
I was curious what was being said on egriz so I just took a look. I found nothing but 2 minor mentions at the bottom of another thread... it seems that the only person that this was “unheard of” and that it struck a nerve with was GrizAgenda.
They must have just taken the thread down. As of last night there was a 5 page thread on it. Good to know egriz is so concerned with MSU recruiting.
Ya they moved it to smack where it belongs. No griz coach or any coach in the country has ever offered a kid a schollie only to pull it later. It’s fascinating!
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:40 am
by CelticCat
They think it's the worst move in college football history and we are the only program to ever not communicate with a recruit for 2 weeks and then pull his offer.
It's crappy but this isn't going to stain the program like they think it will.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:02 pm
by kennethnoisewater
You hate to read an article and still have questions at the end, so I'll go ahead and make assumptions. I'll assume he knew on November 3 that the offer had been rescinded since the article said a couple weeks. In that couple weeks, the burden was on Jeff Choate and Matt Miller to, among their other tasks, decide if they really liked a certain kid or not that the previous coach liked enough to vouch for him to the head coach. I'm assuming Miller wasn't very familiar with him until that time, and a reasonable person can't expect Miller, under those circumstances, to dedicate a ton of time to researching a recruit. It sucks for the kid, but seriously what do you expect the staff to do in that moment? And just because the article came out a few days ahead of the early signing day (not the last signing day, mind you) doesn't mean he's only had five days to find another place to play. He's had six weeks to find something else before the earliest period. Not ideal, but if you're any good you'll find something else.
And regardless of the coaching change, I think it's safe to say MSU's QB needs have changed since July. It's too bad but I don't think there's anybody that needs to be crucified here.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:05 pm
by CelticCat
kennethnoisewater wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:02 pm
You hate to read an article and still have questions at the end, so I'll go ahead and make assumptions. I'll assume he knew on November 3 that the offer had been rescinded since the article said a couple weeks. In that couple weeks, the burden was on Jeff Choate and Matt Miller to, among their other tasks, decide if they really liked a certain kid or not that the previous coach liked enough to vouch for him to the head coach. I'm assuming Miller wasn't very familiar with him until that time, and a reasonable person can't expect Miller, under those circumstances, to dedicate a ton of time to researching a recruit. It sucks for the kid, but seriously what do you expect the staff to do in that moment? And just because the article came out a few days ahead of the early signing day (not the last signing day, mind you) doesn't mean he's only had five days to find another place to play. He's had six weeks to find something else before the earliest period. Not ideal, but if you're any good you'll find something else.
And regardless of the coaching change, I think it's safe to say MSU's QB needs have changed since July. It's too bad but I don't think there's anybody that needs to be crucified here.
Let's not forget that the standard signing day is in February either.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:40 pm
by doebrmn
Is it possible that Cole made the offer without Choate's knowledge and that's once reason he isn't on the staff anymore?
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:41 pm
by bobcat99
doebrmn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:40 pm
Is it possible that Cole made the offer without Choate's knowledge and that's once reason he isn't on the staff anymore?
No.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:42 pm
by VimSince03
bobcat99 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:41 pm
doebrmn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:40 pm
Is it possible that Cole made the offer without Choate's knowledge and that's once reason he isn't on the staff anymore?
No.
Choate signs off on every offer.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm
by catgrad05
So first we have a radio guy dissing the cats after the Cat griz game and he was a known fan of Missoula, now we have a report complaining about the Cat staff on a recruit coming from a griz bias sports section. Is it safe to say that the griz fan base is trying anything and everything to make the Cats look bad? I would say yes.
Would MSU have a valid complaint about tampering with the recruiting cycle?
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 pm
by iaafan
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So first we have a radio guy dissing the cats after the Cat griz game and he was a known fan of Missoula, now we have a report complaining about the Cat staff on a recruit coming from a griz bias sports section. Is it safe to say that the griz fan base is trying anything and everything to make the Cats look bad? I would say yes.
Would MSU have a valid complaint about tampering with the recruiting cycle?
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Schwedelson is a Syracuse grad.
Re: article in Chronicle today
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:17 pm
by Grizaddict
iaafan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:03 pm
catgrad05 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:52 pm
So first we have a radio guy dissing the cats after the Cat griz game and he was a known fan of Missoula, now we have a report complaining about the Cat staff on a recruit coming from a griz bias sports section. Is it safe to say that the griz fan base is trying anything and everything to make the Cats look bad? I would say yes.
Would MSU have a valid complaint about tampering with the recruiting cycle?
Schwedelson is a Syracuse grad.
Not to mention a bozeman chronicle sports writer covering MSU sports. Holy ****** I’ve heard it all.
