Who had the better class? UM or MSU?

[coachouert]

Hauck did sign quite a few MT kids though. Although I give Hauck credit for going back to the MT base.
Stitt did most of the heavy lifting with the Montana kids in the 2018 Griz recruiting class. Bobby upped a few more offers with kids like Levi Janacaro and Max Morris.

Everyone in the state of Montana knows that the first order of business for Hauck is to try and claim that um IS Montana, blah blah blah. He did that by increaseing a few offers to entice kids to commit giving the perception that Hauck is the best recruiter in the state, blah blah blah. Both sides signed the players they were after, with Sulser being the one exception, which again everyone knew wasn't going to happen. Next years in-state recruiting will probably be a little more scrappy depending on talent and team needs. For now, I'm really looking forward to the product this staff puts on the field next season.

I'm real excited about the cats team for next year. I think there is a better than 50% chance that the cats can be a .500 team next year.

Weird, I'm real excited about the griz team for next year. I think there is a better than 50% chance that they lose to the Cats and miss the playoffs...again.

[PapaG]

The Griz landed three 3-star players and one player (Milton Mamula) is a 3-star in my book. Relatively even. We didn't get the DE recruits we wanted. They didn't get the CB recruits.

Not to quibble, but 247/Scout has MSU with four 3* players and UM with one. Depends on the service I suppose, but MSU's recruiting class just by starred players alone matches up very well with EWU and other FCS powers.

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

I am glad Vim already pointed out the inaccuracies in your post, and man were there a lot of them. Better luck next time.

I don't know about the in-state stuff, but TwoMinutes was correct on the 3* claim using 247/Scout rankings.

[VimSince03]

The Griz landed three 3-star players and one player (Milton Mamula) is a 3-star in my book. Relatively even. We didn't get the DE recruits we wanted. They didn't get the CB recruits.

Not to quibble, but 247/Scout has MSU with four 3* players and UM with one. Depends on the service I suppose, but MSU's recruiting class just by starred players alone matches up very well with EWU and other FCS powers.

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

247Sports also doesn't even have all of the Griz commits listed.

Cole Sain is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Cole-Sain-46040354
Alex Gubner is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Gubner-46048065
Nash Fouch is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Nash-Fouch-46041040

Also, Gavin Robertson was a former 3-star but the original statement was in regard to high school players.

[PapaG]

The Griz landed three 3-star players and one player (Milton Mamula) is a 3-star in my book. Relatively even. We didn't get the DE recruits we wanted. They didn't get the CB recruits.

Not to quibble, but 247/Scout has MSU with four 3* players and UM with one. Depends on the service I suppose, but MSU's recruiting class just by starred players alone matches up very well with EWU and other FCS powers.

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

247Sports also doesn't even have all of the Griz commits listed.

Cole Sain is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Cole-Sain-46040354
Alex Gubner is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Gubner-46048065
Nash Fouch is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Nash-Fouch-46041040

Also, Gavin Robertson was a former 3-star but the original statement was in regard to high school players.

I see zero stars clicking on those first two links. As I was saying, they don't have those players rated as 3* players other than Fouch. So I guess that's two 3* players according to 247/Scout.

[VimSince03]

The Griz landed three 3-star players and one player (Milton Mamula) is a 3-star in my book. Relatively even. We didn't get the DE recruits we wanted. They didn't get the CB recruits.

Not to quibble, but 247/Scout has MSU with four 3* players and UM with one. Depends on the service I suppose, but MSU's recruiting class just by starred players alone matches up very well with EWU and other FCS powers.

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

247Sports also doesn't even have all of the Griz commits listed.

Cole Sain is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Cole-Sain-46040354
Alex Gubner is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Gubner-46048065
Nash Fouch is a 3-star: https://247sports.com/Player/Nash-Fouch-46041040

Also, Gavin Robertson was a former 3-star but the original statement was in regard to high school players.

I see zero stars clicking on those links. As I was saying, they don't have those players rated as 3* players.

Papa G, 247Sports rates those kids as 3-star players just like our kids. The 247 Composite score (which takes all recruiting sites into recognition) doesn't have a ranking. For some of our 3-stars, there is not a 247 Composite score as well.

[PapaG]

Papa G, 247Sports rates those kids as 3-star players just like our kids. The 247 Composite score (which takes all recruiting sites into recognition) doesn't have a ranking. For some of our 3-stars, there is not a 247 Composite score as well.

According to 24/7, only Fouch is listed as a 3*.

Are you looking at a different page? They all seem to have composite scores, too on the team pages.

UM has Fouch...

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

MSU has Bauman/Ifanse/Metcalf/Putney

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

[PapaG]

Sherod White makes it FIVE 3* players for MSU, doesn't he? It appears he signed as well.

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

[VimSince03]

247 Sports ranking scores:

MSU (8 3-stars; 3 2-stars)
Isaiah Ifanse - 3-star (82 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Ifanse-93405
Mekhi Metcalf - 3-star (80 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Mekhi-Metcalf-93455
Malik Putney - 3-star (84 247Sports rating; 81.43 Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Malik-Putney-46042859
Sherod White - 3-star (84 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Sherod-White-46040702
Casey Bauma - 3-star (84 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Casey-Bauman-46042875
James Williams - 2-star (75 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/James-Williams-46040199

Donny Long - 3-star (82 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Donny-Long-46051686
Ty'Rhae Gibson - 3-star (84 247Sports rating; 80.32 Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/TyRhae-Gibson-90058
Ty'Rese Gibson - 3-star (84 247Sports rating; 82.55 Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/TyRese-Gibson-90059
Justin Cauley - 2-star (74 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Cauley-46047104
Koby Duru - 2-star (73 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Koby-Duru-92552

[VimSince03]

Papa G, 247Sports rates those kids as 3-star players just like our kids. The 247 Composite score (which takes all recruiting sites into recognition) doesn't have a ranking. For some of our 3-stars, there is not a 247 Composite score as well.

According to 24/7, only Fouch is listed as a 3*.

Are you looking at a different page? They all seem to have composite scores, too on the team pages.

UM has Fouch...

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

MSU has Bauman/Ifanse/Metcalf/Putney

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

This page link is missing Alex Gubner and Cole Sain. If you search their names in 247Sports under 2018 recruits, you will see their 3-star scores. 247Sports is also missing three of our 3-star players (Donny Long and the Gibson twins).

Cole Sain (UM recruit): https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footb ... bled=False
Alex Gubner (UM recruit): https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footb ... bled=False

Basically, 247Sports doesn't update very well with FCS programs. It takes them a few weeks and sometimes they never update a kid signing with a team. And composite scores don't always get listed or calculated on the commits page but you will see a rounded 247Sports ranking on the commits page along with their 247Sports ranking. MSU has eight 3-star players according to 247Sports. UM has three.

[PapaG]

247 Sports ranking scores:

MSU (8 3-stars; 3 2-stars)
Isaiah Ifanse - 3-star (82 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Ifanse-93405

-SNIP-

Koby Duru - 2-star (73 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Koby-Duru-92552

So MSU signed EIGHT three stars? I'm confused. If that's the case, this class of out-of-state players is easily the best in program history, isn't it? I remember when getting one 3* player was a huge deal as a Bobcat fan.

[VimSince03]

247 Sports ranking scores:

MSU (8 3-stars; 3 2-stars)
Isaiah Ifanse - 3-star (82 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Ifanse-93405

-SNIP-

Koby Duru - 2-star (73 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Koby-Duru-92552

So MSU signed EIGHT three stars? I'm confused. If that's the case, this class of out-of-state players is easily the best in program history, isn't it? I remember when getting one 3* player was a huge deal as a Bobcat fan.

Yeah we crushed it. Its just funny to me that pundits are ranking FCS recruiting classes already based off 247Sports and the website doesn't even have all of the recruits in the correct schools yet. Nothing is complete.

[Grizaddict]

Papa G, 247Sports rates those kids as 3-star players just like our kids. The 247 Composite score (which takes all recruiting sites into recognition) doesn't have a ranking. For some of our 3-stars, there is not a 247 Composite score as well.

According to 24/7, only Fouch is listed as a 3*.

Are you looking at a different page? They all seem to have composite scores, too on the team pages.

UM has Fouch...

https://montana.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits

MSU has Bauman/Ifanse/Metcalf/Putney

https://montanastate.247sports.com/Seas ... ll/Commits

This page link is missing Alex Gubner and Cole Sain. If you search their names in 247Sports under 2018 recruits, you will see there 3-star scores. 247Sports is also missing three of our 3-star players (Donny Long and the Gibson twins).

Basically, 247Sports doesn't update very well with FCS programs. It takes them a few weeks and sometimes they never update a kid signing with a team. And composite scores don't always get listed or calculated on the commits page but you will see a rounded 247Sports ranking on the commits page along with their 247Sports ranking. MSU has eight 3-star players according to 247Sports. UM has three.

I believe I see where you are confused PapaG. You are only looking in that box for the 247 composite score. As Vim stated, that is a total composite based on the number of recruiting sites and criteria. If you simply look under the athlete's picture you will see what 247 has ranked them directly (their stars).

[PapaG]

247 Sports ranking scores:

MSU (8 3-stars; 3 2-stars)
Isaiah Ifanse - 3-star (82 247Sports rating; No Composite Score) https://247sports.com/Player/Isaiah-Ifanse-93405

-SNIP-

Koby Duru - 2-star (73 247Sports rating; No Composite Score; Not listed as a MSU signee yet) https://247sports.com/Player/Koby-Duru-92552

So MSU signed EIGHT three stars? I'm confused. If that's the case, this class of out-of-state players is easily the best in program history, isn't it? I remember when getting one 3* player was a huge deal as a Bobcat fan.

Yeah we crushed it. Its just funny to me that pundits are ranking FCS recruiting classes already based off 247Sports and the website doesn't even have all of the recruits in the correct schools yet. Nothing is complete.

That makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up. That's a crazy good OOS class with some Montana kids who are always underrated as well. No wonder Choate wants to stay!

[autocat]

Are you kidding me on Turner and Germer? Turner is a fullback, and Germer is an tall receiver with average speed.

Some of the film on these guys is against teams that are not good! I hope I'm wrong.

[Rich K]

Bobcat class looks pretty good to me. I don't have a clue about UM, do they still have Monte?

[VimSince03]

Are you kidding me on Turner and Germer? Turner is a fullback, and Germer is an tall receiver with average speed.

Some of the film on these guys is against teams that are not good! I hope I'm wrong.

Drew Turner had great games against some of the best team defenses in AA. Every team in AA knew Turner was going to get the ball and he still averaged 7.9 yards per carry to go along with 185 yards a game. His senior season, he scored 23 touchdowns in 9 games. His first game of the season was against eventual state champion Billings Senior (who for my money had the best defense in AA). Drew rushed for 201 yards on 24 carries for 2 scores.

He is also runs an 11.07 100M dash which, to be honest, is nowhere close to "fullback" speed. The kid is 6'0", 210 lbs. and runs away from kids. During his two seasons as a starter in for the Wolfpack, he was one of the best players on the field every game. In 20 AA high school games, he rushed the ball 438 times for 3,283 yards for 42 touchdowns.

As far as Germer is concerned, he received a similar offer that Kleinhans and Estes did as those three were relatively even in terms of strengths. Nick is your classic possession receiver who knows how to work with his quarterback to find soft spots in zone coverage. He is a very heady player who displays good technique at the receiver position.

But when it comes to Turner, calling him a fullback is an incorrect assessment of his ability, production, and talent.

[Colter_Nuanez]

Are you kidding me on Turner and Germer? Turner is a fullback, and Germer is an tall receiver with average speed.

Some of the film on these guys is against teams that are not good! I hope I'm wrong.

Drew Turner had great games against some of the best team defenses in AA. Every team in AA knew Turner was going to get the ball and he still averaged 7.9 yards per carry to go along with 185 yards a game. His senior season, he scored 23 touchdowns in 9 games. His first game of the season was against eventual state champion Billings Senior (who for my money had the best defense in AA). Drew rushed for 201 yards on 24 carries for 2 scores.

He is also runs an 11.07 100M dash which, to be honest, is nowhere close to "fullback" speed. The kid is 6'0", 210 lbs. and runs away from kids. During his two seasons as a starter in for the Wolfpack, he was one of the best players on the field every game. In 20 AA high school games, he rushed the ball 438 times for 3,283 yards for 42 touchdowns.

As far as Germer is concerned, he received a similar offer that Kleinhans and Estes did as those three were relatively even in terms of strengths. Nick is your classic possession receiver who knows how to work with his quarterback to find soft spots in zone coverage. He is a very heady player who displays good technique at the receiver position.

But when it comes to Turner, calling him a fullback is an incorrect assessment of his ability, production, and talent.

If you are more than 205 pounds and you run under a 22-second 200 like Drew Turner does, you are an athletic freak. Period.

[TomCat88]

MSU has had three straight years of very good classes. Over the past 12 years this class ranks as good as any. Choate, who has proven to be an absolutely awesome recruiter — the best I’ve seen —, continues to bring in classes of high-quality players.

[TomCat88]

According to former BSC and Frontier coaches, Turner is one of the top three players in Montana along with Sulser and Askelson. Top tier. UM won the battle of top tier Montana players.

[VimSince03]

Are you kidding me on Turner and Germer? Turner is a fullback, and Germer is an tall receiver with average speed.

Some of the film on these guys is against teams that are not good! I hope I'm wrong.

Drew Turner had great games against some of the best team defenses in AA. Every team in AA knew Turner was going to get the ball and he still averaged 7.9 yards per carry to go along with 185 yards a game. His senior season, he scored 23 touchdowns in 9 games. His first game of the season was against eventual state champion Billings Senior (who for my money had the best defense in AA). Drew rushed for 201 yards on 24 carries for 2 scores.

He is also runs an 11.07 100M dash which, to be honest, is nowhere close to "fullback" speed. The kid is 6'0", 210 lbs. and runs away from kids. During his two seasons as a starter in for the Wolfpack, he was one of the best players on the field every game. In 20 AA high school games, he rushed the ball 438 times for 3,283 yards for 42 touchdowns.

As far as Germer is concerned, he received a similar offer that Kleinhans and Estes did as those three were relatively even in terms of strengths. Nick is your classic possession receiver who knows how to work with his quarterback to find soft spots in zone coverage. He is a very heady player who displays good technique at the receiver position.

But when it comes to Turner, calling him a fullback is an incorrect assessment of his ability, production, and talent.

If you are more than 205 pounds and you run under a 22-second 200 like Drew Turner does, you are an athletic freak. Period.

Exactly. Drew Turner at the second level was not fun for opposing defenses for two reasons: you had to account for his speed...and you also had to account for his physicality. There were not too many defensive players in AA that got a good hit on Drew Turner the past two years.