2017 All-Big Sky

[The MICKSTER]

Have to disagree with you about Troy. It is unusual for anyone at the Division 1 level to be able to contribute to a team on both sides of the ball, let alone a true freshman. Athletes like that don't come around very often. He is an extremely special player that is deserving of the award. I don't think he will get the National Award though because since he split time on the O & D (oh, and ST by the way), those numbers don't really jump out at you unless you look at them collectively, which I suspect most 'voter's won't. I hope I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with all that you have said and he is completely deserving of the award. But compare his situation to what Gresch was thrown into and how well Gresch produced....I felt Jensen was more deserving.

Do you know if the criteria for voting takes into account whether a player is a True freshman or a Redshirt freshman? For example, until mid October last year (when Chris won it) Chris was only 17, he didn't turn 19 until ~ a month ago. Troy I believe is still 18 (I think). Where GJ had been in a collegiate FB program for a year+ before he played and may already be 19.

Redshirt Freshman or True Freshman...doesn't matter.

I suspected that was the case. However I do think there is a significant difference. GJ had 2 fall camps, a spring camp, plus a redshirt year+, with all the weight training, meetings, and coaching that come along with that, to help prepare for his initial chance to contribute. Where both Chris & Troy just had just one fall camp before they were put on the field.

[iaafan]

Jensen was not as good as Andersen. That’s just my opinion. The eye test beats the stat test over the season for me in this case. Jensen gets 50 pass attempts a game against lackluster defenses and puts up big numbers. Yet when facing good defenses he sputters.

Biggest game of the year and he fumbles and gets picked off, while Andersen rolls for two scores and gets 6.4 per carry. In that case Andersen won the eye test and the stat test. Jensen’s qb rating was a sub-par 119.8.

[CARDIAC_CATS]

Jensen was not as good as Andersen. That’s just my opinion. The eye test beats the stat test over the season for me in this case. Jensen gets 50 pass attempts a game against lackluster defenses and puts up big numbers. Yet when facing good defenses he sputters.

Biggest game of the year and he fumbles and gets picked off, while Andersen rolls for two scores and gets 6.4 per carry. In that case Andersen won the eye test and the stat test. Jensen’s qb rating was a sub-par 119.8.

I totally agree. Anderson is a beast and I think the Big Sky coaches know that!

[wbtfg]

It’s pretty cool that we have the freshman of the year two years in a row in both football and men’s basketball. Lots of young talent in Bozeman.


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[onceacat]

Is it possible for the voters to choose/vote for Chris Murray as a RB???

I honestly think he deserved to be voted in as 1st or 2nd team All Big Sky RB...... who cares that he plays QB, he was like top 10 in the country for Rushing yards....

#8 rushing offense in the country and #1 in the BSC by a long stretch. And only one O-lineman & no RBs on the first 3 teams


I know Santiago was a stud for his first two seasons, but he averaged 60 yards/game & 5 total TDs. Chris Murray average the same YPC as Santiago, but I'm pretty sure all of Murray's sacks counted as negative rush yards.

[AFCAT]

Is it possible for the voters to choose/vote for Chris Murray as a RB???

I honestly think he deserved to be voted in as 1st or 2nd team All Big Sky RB...... who cares that he plays QB, he was like top 10 in the country for Rushing yards....

#8 rushing offense in the country and #1 in the BSC by a long stretch. And only one O-lineman & no RBs on the first 3 teams


I know Santiago was a stud for his first two seasons, but he averaged 60 yards/game & 5 total TDs. Chris Murray average the same YPC as Santiago, but I'm pretty sure all of Murray's sacks counted as negative rush yards.

Yeah, Santiago has a monster reputation from previous years and I'm sure that helps. Santiago also racked up some significant yards on KO and Punt returns. I still don't think he should be a first teamer, but oh well.

[VimSince03]

Is it possible for the voters to choose/vote for Chris Murray as a RB???

I honestly think he deserved to be voted in as 1st or 2nd team All Big Sky RB...... who cares that he plays QB, he was like top 10 in the country for Rushing yards....

#8 rushing offense in the country and #1 in the BSC by a long stretch. And only one O-lineman & no RBs on the first 3 teams


I know Santiago was a stud for his first two seasons, but he averaged 60 yards/game & 5 total TDs. Chris Murray average the same YPC as Santiago, but I'm pretty sure all of Murray's sacks counted as negative rush yards.

MSU gave up the least amount of sacks. Murray netted over 1,000 rushing yards.

[onceacat]

Is it possible for the voters to choose/vote for Chris Murray as a RB???

I honestly think he deserved to be voted in as 1st or 2nd team All Big Sky RB...... who cares that he plays QB, he was like top 10 in the country for Rushing yards....

#8 rushing offense in the country and #1 in the BSC by a long stretch. And only one O-lineman & no RBs on the first 3 teams


I know Santiago was a stud for his first two seasons, but he averaged 60 yards/game & 5 total TDs. Chris Murray average the same YPC as Santiago, but I'm pretty sure all of Murray's sacks counted as negative rush yards.

MSU gave up the least amount of sacks. Murray netted over 1,000 rushing yards.

Hard to give up sacks when you drop back as rarely as we do. Thats why Poly gave up 2nd fewest sacks. But still, 13 sacks against Murray for -58 yards. When you take those sacks out, Murray averaged 6.5 yards per carry-a full half yard more than Santiago.

[VimSince03]

Is it possible for the voters to choose/vote for Chris Murray as a RB???

I honestly think he deserved to be voted in as 1st or 2nd team All Big Sky RB...... who cares that he plays QB, he was like top 10 in the country for Rushing yards....

#8 rushing offense in the country and #1 in the BSC by a long stretch. And only one O-lineman & no RBs on the first 3 teams


I know Santiago was a stud for his first two seasons, but he averaged 60 yards/game & 5 total TDs. Chris Murray average the same YPC as Santiago, but I'm pretty sure all of Murray's sacks counted as negative rush yards.

MSU gave up the least amount of sacks. Murray netted over 1,000 rushing yards.

Hard to give up sacks when you drop back as rarely as we do. Thats why Poly gave up 2nd fewest sacks. But still, 13 sacks against Murray for -58 yards. When you take those sacks out, Murray averaged 6.5 yards per carry-a full half yard more than Santiago.

No doubt. Yeah our run game was a force.

[FTG247365]

Have to disagree with you about Troy. It is unusual for anyone at the Division 1 level to be able to contribute to a team on both sides of the ball, let alone a true freshman. Athletes like that don't come around very often. He is an extremely special player that is deserving of the award. I don't think he will get the National Award though because since he split time on the O & D (oh, and ST by the way), those numbers don't really jump out at you unless you look at them collectively, which I suspect most 'voter's won't. I hope I'm wrong.

Agree 100%, an * next to Freshman, indicating True Freshman, should be added. I was impressed with Anderson all year, playing high school to getting the Big Sky Conf. Freshman* of the Year Honors, can't wait to see him play the next 3 years.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with all that you have said and he is completely deserving of the award. But compare his situation to what Gresch was thrown into and how well Gresch produced....I felt Jensen was more deserving.

Do you know if the criteria for voting takes into account whether a player is a True freshman or a Redshirt freshman? For example, until mid October last year (when Chris won it) Chris was only 17, he didn't turn 19 until ~ a month ago. Troy I believe is still 18 (I think). Where GJ had been in a collegiate FB program for a year+ before he played and may already be 19.

Redshirt Freshman or True Freshman...doesn't matter.

I suspected that was the case. However I do think there is a significant difference. GJ had 2 fall camps, a spring camp, plus a redshirt year+, with all the weight training, meetings, and coaching that come along with that, to help prepare for his initial chance to contribute. Where both Chris & Troy just had just one fall camp before they were put on the field.

[cats2506]

Jensen was not as good as Andersen. That’s just my opinion. The eye test beats the stat test over the season for me in this case. Jensen gets 50 pass attempts a game against lackluster defenses and puts up big numbers. Yet when facing good defenses he sputters.

Biggest game of the year and he fumbles and gets picked off, while Andersen rolls for two scores and gets 6.4 per carry. In that case Andersen won the eye test and the stat test. Jensen’s qb rating was a sub-par 119.8.

Hey GJ had the longest (fumble I am pretty sure)

[John K]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

[msufaithful]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

Jered Padmos net 39.0
Jordan Dascalo net 38.2

[John K]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

Jered Padmos net 39.0
Jordan Dascalo net 38.2

Thanks. So Padmos did have a slightly higher net average, but honestly I thought he'd probably have an eve larger edge than that.

[VimSince03]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

Jered Padmos net 39.0
Jordan Dascalo net 38.2

Thanks. So Padmos did have a slightly higher net average, but honestly I thought he'd probably have an eve larger edge than that.

I now want to see a "pins inside the 20" comparison. If Jered had more...he got shafted.

[msufaithful]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

Jered Padmos net 39.0
Jordan Dascalo net 38.2

Thanks. So Padmos did have a slightly higher net average, but honestly I thought he'd probably have an eve larger edge than that.

I now want to see a "pins inside the 20" comparison. If Jered had more...he got shafted.

Dascalo 47 punts / 16 inside the 20 34% of his punts
Padmos 39 punts / 14 inside the 20 36% of his punts

[John K]

Congrats to all!!

And Padmos definitely got shafted...

I mean...it was close.

1st-Team selection Jordan Dascalo - 47 punts for 2002 yards; long of 67; 42.6 average
2nd-Team selection Jered Padmos - 39 punts for 1659 yards; long of 70; 42.5 average

Would like to know who had more pins inside the 20.

Ya, closer than I would've thought. Both good punters--I agree, seeing pins would be helpful.

Those are the "gross" averages...correct? What were their net averages? That's a far better indicator of the actual effectiveness of a punter. Padmos hardly ever allowed one to be returned so I have to believe that his net average was probably significantly better than Dascalo. Net average should be the metric used for ranking punters in the official stats. I mean seriously, we must have given up very few punt return yards for the entire season. I can hardly remember any of his punts being returned.

Jered Padmos net 39.0
Jordan Dascalo net 38.2

Thanks. So Padmos did have a slightly higher net average, but honestly I thought he'd probably have an eve larger edge than that.

I now want to see a "pins inside the 20" comparison. If Jered had more...he got shafted.

Dascalo 47 punts / 16 inside the 20 34% of his punts
Padmos 39 punts / 14 inside the 20 36% of his punts

Wow, they are about as close to each other as you can be, in all three of those categories. I'd give the nod to Padmos, since he had a slight edge in two of the three, and again, in my opinion net average is really the most meaningful of all those statistical categories, and he had a slight edge in that one. But they are so close that you can't really get too butt hurt about Dascalo getting first team ahead of Padmos.

[WalkOn79]

Freshman of the year 2 years running! Padmos got shafted.

Freshmen of the year 2 years running in football AND in men's basketball

Yes, that's impressive!