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A transgender now on the um women's xcountry

Post by RickRund » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:56 am

Not sure where everyone stands here but if you are a guy you run with the guys. I saw this on one of my news feeds...
The rest of this conversation should be on the political site. Just thought I would post the college athletic portion here. If the moods want it deleted, I will delete.



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Post by Rich K » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:30 am

I will only say that the normalization of mental illness is in nobody's best interest.


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Re: A transgender now on the um women's xcountry

Post by TomCat88 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:38 am

Rich K wrote:
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I will only say that the normalization of mental illness is in nobody's best interest.
Because it isn’t politically correct to be transgender?


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Re: A transgender now on the um women's xcountry

Post by RickRund » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:48 am

Like I stated, there is a College Athlete side and a political side...

In high school and college I was not an elite runner but would have taken high medals in any women's competition... If not won the events. Males, at least from my involvement, have a major advantage over women. Look at what has happened in several high school competitions around the country. I know the word fair gets thrown around a lot, but this is NOT fair.

Am waiting the post that says, grab the popcorn...



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Re: A transgender now on the um women's xcountry

Post by TomCat88 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:01 am

RickRund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:48 am
Like I stated, there is a College Athlete side and a political side...

In high school and college I was not an elite runner but would have taken high medals in any women's competition... If not won the events. Males, at least from my involvement, have a major advantage over women. Look at what has happened in several high school competitions around the country. I know the word fair gets thrown around a lot, but this is NOT fair.

Am waiting the post that says, grab the popcorn...
Yeah that does seem unfair. Maybe they will add another classification for transgender athletes someday.


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Post by Hawks86 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:05 am

NCAA has rules about this as far as hormones etc. Wish her luck against everybody but the Cats.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story ... 156676001/


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Post by 91catAlum » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:23 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:01 am
RickRund wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:48 am
Like I stated, there is a College Athlete side and a political side...

In high school and college I was not an elite runner but would have taken high medals in any women's competition... If not won the events. Males, at least from my involvement, have a major advantage over women. Look at what has happened in several high school competitions around the country. I know the word fair gets thrown around a lot, but this is NOT fair.

Am waiting the post that says, grab the popcorn...
Yeah that does seem unfair. Maybe they will add another classification for transgender athletes someday.
Nah, just rename the men's/women's sports to things like XX-chromosome Basketball, XY-chromosome Track, etc.


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Re: A transgender now on the um women's xcountry

Post by TomCat88 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:03 am

Hawks86 wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:05 am
NCAA has rules about this as far as hormones etc. Wish her luck against everybody but the Cats.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story ... 156676001/
That seems fair.


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Post by RickRund » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:06 am

If this trend becomes"a thing", I think the ball just started rolling, and if court cases pop up would athletic departments be forced to add a slot for transgenders thus opening up new schollies. The costs would go up and how is that issue met?



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Post by Montanabob » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:28 am

NCAA doesn't have cojones but the women can


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Post by lutecat » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:53 pm

SHE HAS TO TAKE TESTOSTERONE BLOCKERS AND TAKE ESTROGEN. SHE ALSO HAD TO TAKE A YEAR OFF. SHE HAS LESS MUSCLE NOW. Make sure you read up on the NCAA policy about this subject.

if you want to debate the fairness of it go ahead but I've read a lot of ****** comments around social media. Calling her an "it" and the like. This is a person. She went to HS in Belgrade. Her mom is Bobcat! So whatever gets typed here, remember her parents might be longtime BN members. Be respectful.



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Post by allcat » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:58 pm

lutecat wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:53 pm
SHE HAS TO TAKE TESTOSTERONE BLOCKERS AND TAKE ESTROGEN. SHE ALSO HAD TO TAKE A YEAR OFF. SHE HAS LESS MUSCLE NOW. Make sure you read up on the NCAA policy about this subject.

if you want to debate the fairness of it go ahead but I've read a lot of ****** comments around social media. Calling her an "it" and the like. This is a person. She went to HS in Belgrade. Her mom is Bobcat! So whatever gets typed here, remember her parents might be longtime BN members. Be respectful.
I actually think it is disrespectful to those of us that grew up with boys being boys. I think he is not a she, just a confused guy.


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Post by grizzh8r » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:07 pm

Rich K wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:30 am
I will only say that the normalization of mental illness is in nobody's best interest.
Bingo. But, it's only going to get worse. Revelations-type events like this must happen, and will continue to...


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Post by cats2506 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:00 pm

If I decided that I was Jesus Christ, I would be committed, it a delusion and should be treated as such rather than being encouraged.


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Post by seataccat » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:56 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:03 am
Hawks86 wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:05 am
NCAA has rules about this as far as hormones etc. Wish her luck against everybody but the Cats.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story ... 156676001/
That seems fair.
This is how I feel as well but current hormone levels don't tell the whole story. As we grow up men and women develope different bone structure, lung capacity as well as muscle development. To simply change gender and rebalance hormones after puberty gives you an advantage. I don't know what the answer should be. My heart goes out to true transgender people but this kind of competition really is unfair to women.


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Post by Hawks86 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:04 am

Freshman Beatrix Frissell, last seen sweeping the 1,600 and 3,200 meters for Polson High at the Class A state track and field meet in Laurel in May, won her collegiate debut for the Montana cross country team on Saturday morning.

Frissell topped a field of 79 runners at the Clash of the Inland Northwest in Cheney, Wash. She was one of three Grizzlies in the top 10 as Montana opened with a strong second-place showing, finishing three points behind Gonzaga and ahead of Idaho and Eastern Washington.

Senior June Eastwood finished seventh, senior Samantha Engebretsen came in ninth.
https://gogriz.com/news/2019/8/31/mens- ... debut.aspx


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Post by TomCat88 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:22 pm

Hawks86 wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:04 am
Freshman Beatrix Frissell, last seen sweeping the 1,600 and 3,200 meters for Polson High at the Class A state track and field meet in Laurel in May, won her collegiate debut for the Montana cross country team on Saturday morning.

Frissell topped a field of 79 runners at the Clash of the Inland Northwest in Cheney, Wash. She was one of three Grizzlies in the top 10 as Montana opened with a strong second-place showing, finishing three points behind Gonzaga and ahead of Idaho and Eastern Washington.

Senior June Eastwood finished seventh, senior Samantha Engebretsen came in ninth.
https://gogriz.com/news/2019/8/31/mens- ... debut.aspx
NCAA rule seems to have an effect.


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Post by rollo_tumasi » Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:56 pm

If she ran like she once did, she would of won this race by almost 2 minutes.


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Post by hokeyfine » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:17 pm

Good luck to her. She's a courageous girl. =D^



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Post by allcat » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:45 pm

hokeyfine wrote:
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Good luck to her. She's a courageous girl. =D^
Couldn't work in any more female pronouns?


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