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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by catatac » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:30 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:55 pm
catatac wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:07 pm
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:58 pm
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:56 am
Whatever the case the Griz have now lost their starting QB, a starting OL, top DE (another guy they’re bashing), starting cornerback, probable starting safety, and may be without starting linebacker.
What’s your point? All teams at all levels of football lose key players every single year, including your cats. Why don’t you point out all of the cats losses, it will look eerily sililar:

- starting QB - Yes - but we'll have better QB play in 2018 which should not be a surprise considering how we often we heard from Griznation how bad CM sucked as a QB.

- top 3 leading rushers, not quite.

- best LB you’ve ever had, uh, no.

- top receivers. Yes stats wise, but we'll be good at WR in 2018. I'm believing what I've hearing form the reporters, coaches, and others that are watching Fall camp closely.
So not that similar really, but the fortunate thing for the Bobcats is that we have enough quality depth to withstand some departures. Doesn't appear as if the Griz do in some key position groups.
Fair point, if the Cats really have depth. We often don’t know how solid the depth is until the bullets start flying and we see these guys play. Sounds like you have dept at key spots and not so much at others (QB the most important one).

I’m worried mostly about Griz O Line. We have a 3rd year returning starter in VillaNueva but he’s a little banged up right now and then the only other lineman with a lot of playing time was Jackson who just hung up the cleats and retired. The size and ability and talent is there, but experience is not so that worries me.

We are deep at QB, RB, WR is ridiculous, TE, D Line, and safety. Still thin at CB in my opinion unless Calhoun adjusts quickly.
Looking at your list I'd call that a maybe at some positions, based on your point that you won't know until the bullets fly. I could say the Bobcats are deep at QB too because Choate opened it up to five players competing for the starting role at the beginning of fall camp. Is your JC QB going to be better than TA or TJ? We'll see.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:53 pm

catatac wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:30 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:55 pm
catatac wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:07 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:58 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:56 am
Whatever the case the Griz have now lost their starting QB, a starting OL, top DE (another guy they’re bashing), starting cornerback, probable starting safety, and may be without starting linebacker.
What’s your point? All teams at all levels of football lose key players every single year, including your cats. Why don’t you point out all of the cats losses, it will look eerily sililar:

- starting QB - Yes - but we'll have better QB play in 2018 which should not be a surprise considering how we often we heard from Griznation how bad CM sucked as a QB.

- top 3 leading rushers, not quite.

- best LB you’ve ever had, uh, no.

- top receivers. Yes stats wise, but we'll be good at WR in 2018. I'm believing what I've hearing form the reporters, coaches, and others that are watching Fall camp closely.
So not that similar really, but the fortunate thing for the Bobcats is that we have enough quality depth to withstand some departures. Doesn't appear as if the Griz do in some key position groups.
Fair point, if the Cats really have depth. We often don’t know how solid the depth is until the bullets start flying and we see these guys play. Sounds like you have dept at key spots and not so much at others (QB the most important one).

I’m worried mostly about Griz O Line. We have a 3rd year returning starter in VillaNueva but he’s a little banged up right now and then the only other lineman with a lot of playing time was Jackson who just hung up the cleats and retired. The size and ability and talent is there, but experience is not so that worries me.

We are deep at QB, RB, WR is ridiculous, TE, D Line, and safety. Still thin at CB in my opinion unless Calhoun adjusts quickly.
Looking at your list I'd call that a maybe at some positions, based on your point that you won't know until the bullets fly. I could say the Bobcats are deep at QB too because Choate opened it up to five players competing for the starting role at the beginning of fall camp. Is your JC QB going to be better than TA or TJ? We'll see.
Actually went to a couple practices now. Sneed was QB1 going into Fall and looked very good (even from unbiased fans). Humphrey (their #1 recruiting target prior to fall looks as good as advertised. He is pushing Sneed for the 1 spot. He probably throws a better ball to be honest, can absolutely spin it. He got some reps with the 1s this week. Hauck isn’t lying when he says QB is the least of our concerns.



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by catatac » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:18 pm

Yep, we'll see. BTW, where did you find unbiased Griz fans? Lol


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:48 pm

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Yep, we'll see. BTW, where did you find unbiased Griz fans? Lol
Ha good question. I was referring to Colter (he’s pretty unbiased when evaluating talent and he compared Cam to Reese Phillips, which is a very fair comparison in my opinion) as well as a Cat buddy of mine who joined me at the practice (knows Bobby pretty well) and he was very impressed with him as well.



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Grizaddict » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:25 pm

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Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:48 am
He said he felt like an outsider and saw the team split into cliques and then mentioned other things that showed the pettiness of the coaching staff. I mean who tells their players they can’t wear their old high school logo gear. So he basically quit because it wasn’t fun for him anymore. Sound reasoning in my opinion. Not sure why anyone would fault him.

Then as Tom says the fans start comparing Griz football to military. That’s just bizarre.

MSU just had a guy quit because he was homesick. I didn’t see anyone putting him down.
Perspectives are funny things.....here’s a couple from new guys coming to MT that go against everything you just posted:

"I'm starting to feel really comfortable out here," Eastwood said Thursday. "When I first got here, I didn't really know anybody but they all brought me in and made me part of the family and part of the Griz community. They took me in as one of their own right off the bat." (Amie Just interview with SDSU dropdown RB Adam Eastwood)

“It was good. These guys are just great. These guys, they’re down to earth. That’s the biggest thing. I’ve been around places and people that aren’t like that, and not very accepting, but these guys, they accepted me and I’m very grateful for them, and I’m happy to be here.” (Skyline interview with Arkansas drop down Reid Miller about fitting in)

So it doesn’t sound all doom and gloom to me iaafan. In fact, quite the opposite. Any other giant leaps you want to make today?



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by catatac » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:17 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:25 pm
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:48 am
He said he felt like an outsider and saw the team split into cliques and then mentioned other things that showed the pettiness of the coaching staff. I mean who tells their players they can’t wear their old high school logo gear. So he basically quit because it wasn’t fun for him anymore. Sound reasoning in my opinion. Not sure why anyone would fault him.

Then as Tom says the fans start comparing Griz football to military. That’s just bizarre.

MSU just had a guy quit because he was homesick. I didn’t see anyone putting him down.
Perspectives are funny things.....here’s a couple from new guys coming to MT that go against everything you just posted:

"I'm starting to feel really comfortable out here," Eastwood said Thursday. "When I first got here, I didn't really know anybody but they all brought me in and made me part of the family and part of the Griz community. They took me in as one of their own right off the bat." (Amie Just interview with SDSU dropdown RB Adam Eastwood)

“It was good. These guys are just great. These guys, they’re down to earth. That’s the biggest thing. I’ve been around places and people that aren’t like that, and not very accepting, but these guys, they accepted me and I’m very grateful for them, and I’m happy to be here.” (Skyline interview with Arkansas drop down Reid Miller about fitting in)

So it doesn’t sound all doom and gloom to me iaafan. In fact, quite the opposite. Any other giant leaps you want to make today?
Sounds like the Grizzly O Line will probably be the downfall for them in 2018. I listened to Colter's podcast and the one reporter he interviewed said it's going to be a big problem. It was already going to be a weakness heading into Fall camp and now with the additional departures it's full on "crisis" mode.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Cataholic » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:33 pm

Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:47 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:23 pm
Grizaddict wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:58 pm
iaafan wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:56 am
Whatever the case the Griz have now lost their starting QB, a starting OL, top DE (another guy they’re bashing), starting cornerback, probable starting safety, and may be without starting linebacker.
What’s your point? All teams at all levels of football lose key players every single year, including your cats. Why don’t you point out all of the cats losses, it will look eerily sililar:

- starting QB
- top 3 leading rushers
- best LB you’ve ever had
- top receivers
I’m not talking about players who’ve used up all their eligibility. The losses I’ve listed are all players that left despite having eligibility remaining. Jensen, Jackson, Favoroso, Isaiah Banks, Sanders.
Well since you were picking guys who medically retired prior to Hauck coming (Sanders) and a guy who redshirted and never saw a D1 snap and making a HUGE stretch that he’d be a starter (Banks, who ask left prior to Hauck) I wasn’t clear what your strange parameters were. That would be like me referring to this list and making an idiotic claim these guys could have all been Cats starters who they are now without.

Putney
Long
Leota
Jake Roper
Ed Vander
Brady McChesney
Noah James
Sean Opland
Gabe Peppenger
Will Martel
Jaxen Hashley
Jackson Mcleery
Kapili Livingston-Lopez
Adam Jordt
Anthony Pegues
Luke Daly
Ben Folsom
Koni Dole
Keon Stephens
Nick Van Horssen
Kamden Brown
Jake McFetridge
Conor Floden
Like you said, talk about strange parameters.... A Griz fan coming to a rival website to point what we all already know about our Cat players. Did the McDonalds manager give you a longer break to research all that?

I am also pretty sure you knew what the poster was talking about. Hauck has ran off a freshman All American QB, a starting DE and now they lose a starting lineman. All guys that you expected to play this year. None of the Cats listed were expected to have an impact this year. Pretty big difference Grizagenda.



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Post by RickRund » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:49 am

Correct me if I am wrong but a weak OL also puts a few other positions in danger as far as injuries???


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

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Correct me if I am wrong but a weak OL also puts a few other positions in danger as far as injuries???
Yes, true. Also, some Griz fans with their heads in the sand are saying they'll be able to work around a weak O line by having a QB that gets the ball out quick. That's all fine and good and I agree but that's only in the passing game. If they don't hobble together an O line that is at least serviceable and can establish even a minimal presence in the run game.... defenses will scheme against that. Really hard to be successful when you're one dimensional.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by iaafan » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:16 am

They don’t have a creme puff schedule this year. Last year they came out with a paper machete 7-4 record thanks to games against Savanna and Valpo. They got a gift win vs NAU when Cookus was ejected. They return just nine starters.

They get No. Iowa and @W. Illinois in the non-conf and no gimme against Drake. Drake played Valpo last year and beat them worse than UM did. Score: Drake 38-13, UM 45-23. Yards: Drake 567-294, UM 538-450.



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by 91catAlum » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:43 am

Just saw on Twitter that the griz today moved one of their D tackles, to Guard! With 2 weeks until the first game. They are in trouble on the O line.

As far as their QB getting the ball out quick, once the defense knows that's all you can do, the DBs will start sitting on routes, and then you have nobody to get the ball out quick to.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

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Just saw on Twitter that the griz today moved one of their D tackles, to Guard! With 2 weeks until the first game. They are in trouble on the O line.

As far as their QB getting the ball out quick, once the defense knows that's all you can do, the DBs will start sitting on routes, and then you have nobody to get the ball out quick to.
Yep, that's what I was referring to above, thanks for the good description of exactly why that's a problem. And yes, they are in trouble at OL. Even if they somehow scrape together enough bodies and get the Freshmen to be able to play as a unit, what are the odds they stay healthy? So maybe they start gelling a few games into the season and then and injury or two happens, they are so razor thin there. The other thing the reporter mentioned when asked about the D line is something like "Well they're looking pretty good but that might be because they're not getting much resistance."


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by 91catAlum » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:12 am

catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:03 am
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:43 am
Just saw on Twitter that the griz today moved one of their D tackles, to Guard! With 2 weeks until the first game. They are in trouble on the O line.

As far as their QB getting the ball out quick, once the defense knows that's all you can do, the DBs will start sitting on routes, and then you have nobody to get the ball out quick to.
Yep, that's what I was referring to above, thanks for the good description of exactly why that's a problem. And yes, they are in trouble at OL. Even if they somehow scrape together enough bodies and get the Freshmen to be able to play as a unit, what are the odds they stay healthy? So maybe they start gelling a few games into the season and then and injury or two happens, they are so razor thin there. The other thing the reporter mentioned when asked about the D line is something like "Well they're looking pretty good but that might be because they're not getting much resistance."
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Post by Rich K » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:36 am

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:43 am
Just saw on Twitter that the griz today moved one of their D tackles, to Guard! With 2 weeks until the first game. They are in trouble on the O line.

As far as their QB getting the ball out quick, once the defense knows that's all you can do, the DBs will start sitting on routes, and then you have nobody to get the ball out quick to.
I think that strategy will work if they implement a few quick kicks into their game plan. That'll really surprise the defense while getting the ball out of there quick.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Grizaddict » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:17 pm

Yep the Griz OLine is the biggest concern for the Griz this year. Unfortunately the game is often won or lost in those trenches so it’s a valid concern for sure. We have one starter back (Villanueva) who has started since he was a freshman. Our other guy who had a lot of experience and would have been starting (Thayne Jackson) just hung up the cleats as a sophomore.

I think a lot of our heralded Freshman will see the field quite a bit. There’s:

Sean Anderson from AZ who is 6’7 305 lbs

Cody Kanouse from Air Force who is 6’6 306 lbs. He has a year of Air Force Prep under his belt (kind of like a JUCO year if that makes sense)

Tyler Ganoung from OR who is 6’5 and 318 lbs

So the size is definitely there and the talent (all multiple star guys) but the experience at this level is not. That’s the scary part. The guy turning a lot of heads is Cole Sain from St John Bosco (one of premiere programs in nation). He’s 6’4 290 lbs and a three star guy who has been taking some first team reps.

They have a long ways to go, but if they can figure it out they’ll be serviceable. If not, could be a long year. They were without Thayne all spring, too, and looked better than I expected so maybe they’ll be okay. Germer is a phenomenal OLine coach and will do his part as well. The Griz are lucky to have him. Hoping he can work some magic for sure.

Edit - new weights came out. Ganoung (336), Kanouse (335), Anderson (318)



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Post by seataccat » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:06 pm

How the hell did they land Cole sain? His dad played for um Western, and then transferred to the cats.


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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Cataholic » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:15 pm

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:17 pm
Yep the Griz OLine is the biggest concern for the Griz this year. Unfortunately the game is often won or lost in those trenches so it’s a valid concern for sure. We have one starter back (Villanueva) who has started since he was a freshman. Our other guy who had a lot of experience and would have been starting (Thayne Jackson) just hung up the cleats as a sophomore.

I think a lot of our heralded Freshman will see the field quite a bit. There’s:

Sean Anderson from AZ who is 6’7 305 lbs

Cody Kanouse from Air Force who is 6’6 306 lbs. He has a year of Air Force Prep under his belt (kind of like a JUCO year if that makes sense)

Tyler Ganoung from OR who is 6’5 and 318 lbs

So the size is definitely there and the talent (all multiple star guys) but the experience at this level is not. That’s the scary part. The guy turning a lot of heads is Cole Sain from St John Bosco (one of premiere programs in nation). He’s 6’4 290 lbs and a three star guy who has been taking some first team reps.

They have a long ways to go, but if they can figure it out they’ll be serviceable. If not, could be a long year. They were without Thayne all spring, too, and looked better than I expected so maybe they’ll be okay. Germer is a phenomenal OLine coach and will do his part as well. The Griz are lucky to have him. Hoping he can work some magic for sure.

Edit - new weights came out. Ganoung (336), Kanouse (335), Anderson (318)
Nobody is drinking your cool aid Grizagenda. The below is list from ejizz is players that have switched positions. Coaches switch positions to fill HOLES and LACK OF DEPTH.

Justin Calhoun-WR to CB
Caleb Hill-QB to TE
Cy Sirmon-DL to OL
Vika Fa'atuiese-LB to FB
Trase LeTexier-LB to FB
Esai Longoria-DL to OL
Kobey Eaton-WR to CB
Andrew Harris-LB to DE
Reggie Tilleman-DT to DE
McKenzie Holt- Ath/DE to TE - not currently on online gogriz.com roster??
Bryson Deming-WR to TE
Colin Bingham-WR to TE
Jed Negler-WR to DE
Jesse Sims-DT to DE
Matt Rensvold-WR to TE
Brennan Corbin-WR to TE



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Cataholic » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:23 pm

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How the hell did they land Cole sain? His dad played for um Western, and then transferred to the cats.
John Sain and Mike Sain both played at MSU during the Solmonson years. Those were some tough years for Cat football and the Sain’s grew up in Darby in the shadow of UM. The younger brother Mike actually never really cracked the roster with Solmonson as coach. I was not really surprised that Cole ended up at UM.



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by Grizaddict » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:13 pm

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:17 pm
Yep the Griz OLine is the biggest concern for the Griz this year. Unfortunately the game is often won or lost in those trenches so it’s a valid concern for sure. We have one starter back (Villanueva) who has started since he was a freshman. Our other guy who had a lot of experience and would have been starting (Thayne Jackson) just hung up the cleats as a sophomore.

I think a lot of our heralded Freshman will see the field quite a bit. There’s:

Sean Anderson from AZ who is 6’7 305 lbs

Cody Kanouse from Air Force who is 6’6 306 lbs. He has a year of Air Force Prep under his belt (kind of like a JUCO year if that makes sense)

Tyler Ganoung from OR who is 6’5 and 318 lbs

So the size is definitely there and the talent (all multiple star guys) but the experience at this level is not. That’s the scary part. The guy turning a lot of heads is Cole Sain from St John Bosco (one of premiere programs in nation). He’s 6’4 290 lbs and a three star guy who has been taking some first team reps.

They have a long ways to go, but if they can figure it out they’ll be serviceable. If not, could be a long year. They were without Thayne all spring, too, and looked better than I expected so maybe they’ll be okay. Germer is a phenomenal OLine coach and will do his part as well. The Griz are lucky to have him. Hoping he can work some magic for sure.

Edit - new weights came out. Ganoung (336), Kanouse (335), Anderson (318)
Nobody is drinking your cool aid Grizagenda. The below is list from ejizz is players that have switched positions. Coaches switch positions to fill HOLES and LACK OF DEPTH.

Justin Calhoun-WR to CB
Caleb Hill-QB to TE
Cy Sirmon-DL to OL
Vika Fa'atuiese-LB to FB
Trase LeTexier-LB to FB
Esai Longoria-DL to OL
Kobey Eaton-WR to CB
Andrew Harris-LB to DE
Reggie Tilleman-DT to DE
McKenzie Holt- Ath/DE to TE - not currently on online gogriz.com roster??
Bryson Deming-WR to TE
Colin Bingham-WR to TE
Jed Negler-WR to DE
Jesse Sims-DT to DE
Matt Rensvold-WR to TE
Brennan Corbin-WR to TE
Or when a new staff comes in with a completely different offensive and defensive scheme. You seem to forget that Stitt didn’t use TEs or FBs, so that’s the majority of that list right there. And I have an agenda?

Where they were thin at CB they made a brilliant move with Calhoun who was a 3 star corner all through high school and only played WR his senior year. He is already excelling there and taking first team reps.

And yes they moved some DL guys to OL where they were thin. I see guys who are willing to put their team first, make a change where they can help, and not leave the program. How is that bad?



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Re: Another Griz FB player quits

Post by catatac » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:43 pm

It's not bad that players are willing to switch positions when coaches ask them to. That's not what he's saying. He's saying it's never a good sign when coaches are having to move that many players around. Yes, it always happens with a coaching change to some degree. Hope for the best but prepare for a rough year in a very competitive Big Sky.


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