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Post by RickRund » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:28 pm

Very, very minor rumor of the RAMS being interested. And you know rumors.
Of course most every team would probably be interested in him...


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Post by bobcat99 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:23 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:Kupp had the 5th fastest shuttle time among wideouts though, tied with John Ross and his route running wowed everyone. Steve Smith said of Kupp, "This is my top guy. There isn't a route he can't run." Pretty high praise. His quickness and route running will land him in the 2nd round I'd think. Late 1st if teams move around the right way.
It would be a mistake to take him that high.

He's gonna be 24, he's slower than the average WR, and I think he's strictly a slow guy in the NFL. Late first is crazy for Kupp. Based on his talent, shouldn't go higher than middle 3rd-4th, but he has a lot of hype behind him.



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Post by Mr Lisle » Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:04 pm

Cooper Kupp has some intangibles to consider besides his sterling EWU career where he broke nearly every major FCS receiving record and won the Walter Payton Award. When you couple this with genetics then maybe you have something special.
His father, Craig, was a gifted quarterback. He actually played at Montana Tech as a freshman before transferring to Pacific Lutheran in Tacoma. He was drafted in the 5th round by the Giants. He went to Arizona then the Cowboys. His stint was short...but still, an NFL quarterback.
Cooper's grandfather, Jake Kupp, started at OT and end for two Washington Husky Rose Bowl football teams. He also played on the baseball team. He was drafted in the 9th round by the Cowboys and went on to play for the Redskins and Falcons. But his term with the Saints was outstanding. He was the captain for several seasons and named to the 1968 Pro Bowl. He is in the Saints Hall-of-Fame.



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Re: EWU WRs at Combine

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:24 pm

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BleedingBLue wrote:Kupp had the 5th fastest shuttle time among wideouts though, tied with John Ross and his route running wowed everyone. Steve Smith said of Kupp, "This is my top guy. There isn't a route he can't run." Pretty high praise. His quickness and route running will land him in the 2nd round I'd think. Late 1st if teams move around the right way.
It would be a mistake to take him that high.

He's gonna be 24, he's slower than the average WR, and I think he's strictly a slow guy in the NFL. Late first is crazy for Kupp. Based on his talent, shouldn't go higher than middle 3rd-4th, but he has a lot of hype behind him.

The NFL is stupid so I am sure somebody will draft him, but it would probably be by a team like Cleveland, Bills or Rams. IF he makes a team he will be gone in a year or two.


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Post by JDoub » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:24 am

NFL all-time leading receivers and their 40 times at the NFL combine:

1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 4.7
2 Terrell Owens 15,934 4.45
3 Randy Moss 15,292 4.25 (Marshall Pro Day)
4 Isaac Bruce 15,208 4.56
5 Tony Gonzalez 15,127 4.6 (ran a 4.49 at Boston College Pro Day)
6 Tim Brown+ 14,934 4.55 (ran a 4.44 at Rutgers Pro Day)
7 Steve Smith 14,731 4.39
8 Marvin Harrison 14,580 ??
9 Larry Fitzgerald 14,389 4.63 (4.48 at Pitt Pro Day)
10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 4.55 4.45
11 Andre Johnson 14,185 4.41 4.52
12 James Lofton+ 14,004 ?? but he ran a 20.5 200M at Stanford



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JDoub wrote:NFL all-time leading receivers and their 40 times at the NFL combine:

1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 4.7
2 Terrell Owens 15,934 4.45
3 Randy Moss 15,292 4.25 (Marshall Pro Day)
4 Isaac Bruce 15,208 4.56
5 Tony Gonzalez 15,127 4.6 (ran a 4.49 at Boston College Pro Day)
6 Tim Brown+ 14,934 4.55 (ran a 4.44 at Rutgers Pro Day)
7 Steve Smith 14,731 4.39
8 Marvin Harrison 14,580 ??
9 Larry Fitzgerald 14,389 4.63 (4.48 at Pitt Pro Day)
10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 4.55 4.45
11 Andre Johnson 14,185 4.41 4.52
12 James Lofton+ 14,004 ?? but he ran a 20.5 200M at Stanford
Tim Brown, from Notre Dame, ran at Rutgers pro day?

Jerry Rice's time seems to be in dispute:


"Rice, for the record, ran the dash in 4.59 seconds, according to the late Bill Walsh. "

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JDoub wrote:NFL all-time leading receivers and their 40 times at the NFL combine:

1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 4.7
2 Terrell Owens 15,934 4.45
3 Randy Moss 15,292 4.25 (Marshall Pro Day)
4 Isaac Bruce 15,208 4.56
5 Tony Gonzalez 15,127 4.6 (ran a 4.49 at Boston College Pro Day)
6 Tim Brown+ 14,934 4.55 (ran a 4.44 at Rutgers Pro Day)
7 Steve Smith 14,731 4.39
8 Marvin Harrison 14,580 ??
9 Larry Fitzgerald 14,389 4.63 (4.48 at Pitt Pro Day)
10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 4.55 4.45
11 Andre Johnson 14,185 4.41 4.52
12 James Lofton+ 14,004 ?? but he ran a 20.5 200M at Stanford
Tim Brown, from Notre Dame, ran at Rutgers pro day?

Jerry Rice's time seems to be in dispute:


"Rice, for the record, ran the dash in 4.59 seconds, according to the late Bill Walsh. "

http://m.49ers.com/news/article-2/Baalk ... ca0606c4e5
NFL Combine times seem to be slower than pro days, and camp times, for the same individuals. I don't think NFL Combine times are the final say on how fast a guy really is.

Sports Illustrated reported Jerry Rice's best time at the NFL combine was 4.6
http://www.givemesport.com/434833-jerry ... t-mean-sht
^ White, David (April 21, 2009). "History points to speed over TDs". San Francisco Chronicle. Retrieved April 26, 2009.

Davis Mattek reports Combine results had Rice's worst time at 4.71, but calls it mythical -- this is actually a good read
http://rotoviz.com/2013/07/vincent-brow ... l-4-71-40/

But here's the thing with Rice - 4.56 or 4.7, is DRAMATICALLY SLOWER than most the other leading WR's. Tells me 40 times are not a make-or-break measure of NFL success.

As for Tim Brown, seems he did not run at the combine -- source for Tim Brown filled in the wrong Tim Brown. I couldn't find any 40 times for Tim Brown.

The Mattek article points out a correlation between WR size and speed in the NFL. That is, if you're under 6' and under 183 lbs, you need to be fast --
" since 1999, the only receivers to run an official 40 time at the combine slower than 4.65 and post top 30 fantasy seasons are Micheal Clayton and Anquan Boldin, and Boldin is the only receiver to do it more than once. "

Cupp is big, but not fast. Maybe he's the next Anquan Boldin, but the odds are stacked against him. Rice and Cupp seem to have a lot in common, not the least of which is "game speed" - just watch Cupp outrun Oregon DB's who are some of the fastest guys in college football.



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Re: EWU WRs at Combine

Post by bobcat99 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:01 pm

When reading what I'm about to say, realize that there are always some exceptions to this rule, ok?

In the NFL, being above average athletically* doesn't mean you will be great, but if you are great, you're probably above average athletically.





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Post by BigBruceBaker » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:58 am

AlphaGriz1 wrote:I will say neither of them makes an NFL roster, makes sure to hold that over my head if one of them does.
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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:00 am

When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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Post by luckyirishguy25 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:17 pm

AlphaGriz1 wrote:When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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Right... the best rookie WR won't make an NFL roster... even though he's already slotted to start for the Rams.
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AlphaGriz1 wrote:When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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Right... the best rookie WR won't make an NFL roster... even though he's already slotted to start for the Rams.
Thank your lucky stars you're not a football analyst.
Kupp might get 100 catches this season.

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AlphaGriz1 wrote:When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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AlphaGriz1 wrote:When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:19 am

I don't have one, all if them are pretty average. If I had to choose I would say Ronnie Hamlin he had a brilliant 11 year career there

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AlphaGriz1 wrote:When is the final cut? I still don't think he makes it.....not even on the Rams

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Kupp is a starter for the Rams at WR in the slot and a sleeper Fantasy pick if Goff or Mannion can throw a seam pass with some juice in the red zone.


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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:40 am

Alpha never said that NDSU would be a top 10 team in the FBS.

What he did say is that NDSU would beat teams 11 and lower 9 out of 10 times. Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

That NDSU comment is still true



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Post by Joe Bobcat » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:23 pm

Alpha is busy enough with his foot in his mouth. If you put words in his mouth you could overload him, causing him to choke.

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